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Kneecap - New Footage *Read OP for Mod Warning*

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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,254 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    The whole thing only makes since in a commercial context. They are supporting the rights one people to statehood while encouraging the murder of the democratically represents of another and are now trying to walk it back when it starts to hit the bottom line. A bunch of not to bright clowns who will jump on any bandwagon if the price is right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,708 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,708 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Why then are you defending Kneecap chanting their support for Hamas?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,708 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Is that all they are?

    An honest assessment would tell a different story and we all know it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,918 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Well I'm not a fan and why would I go out of my way to contact them when I have no time for them ?

    But we are having a discussion and I see in a reply to another poster that you say you don't support Hamas.

    So it seems we have something in common after all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,708 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Hamas are the political movement, Al-Qassam Brigades are the military movement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    You really think that is all they are? As noted before, since its founding, Hamas has carried out bombings, rocket attacks and shootings, killing civilians and soldiers in Israel. It kills Israeli civilians just as easily as it kills Israeli soldiers whenever it can : it does not matter if they are babies or adults.

    On 7 October 2023 Hamas attacked Israel, killing about 1,200 people and taking more than 250 hostages, who they dragged back to Gaza, some behind Jeeps, to the delight of many Gaza civilians.

    If Hamas had not continually attacked Israel this past few decades, we would not have seen the destruction in Gaza we see now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    No.

    Hamas are an Islamic resistance movement.

    Not a political movement or freedom fighters or anything else.

    Fundamentalist Islam is at the core of their organisation.

    I don't know why you refuse to acknowledge that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Hamas in its entirety is proscribed as a terrorist organisation by the United States, the United Kingdom and Canada.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,708 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Hamas are the political movement, Al-Qassam Brigades are the military movement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,126 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Peace loving democrats ye, Hamas are a band of islamists, terrorist scum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Hamas are an Islamic organisation first, a political organisation second.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Hamas attacked Israel on 7 October 2023, killing about 1200 people and taking over 250 hostages.

    The fact Kneecap condoned them and A Dub in Glasgow says he thinks they are just political says it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Completely ignoring Hamas' appalling human rights record.

    And for a supposed political organisation they have an abysmal record of dealing with political dissidents.

    Extra judicial killings, the abuse of the people they purport to represent their treatment of gay people, it's all just not that important, no wonder a bunch of middle class spoofers pretending to be political dissidents in a daft rap group are chanting support for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Question.

    Do Kneecap condone the Kneecapping of teenage boys, the kidnapping / disappearances of people like Jean Mcc in Belfast ( seeing as they condoned Hamas who attacked Israel on 7 October 2023, killing about 1200 people and taking over 250 hostages) and the racist murders of Tory MPs?

    Very sick people IMO.

    Post edited by itsacoolday on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,481 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Good article here from the Examiner on kneecap, by Mick Clifford

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/spotlight/arid-41625016.html



    “Through deploying satire and irony, it remains unclear whether the band unequivocally subscribes to the retro republican chic that deigns there was no alternative to the Provisional IRA’s violence. But Kneecap certainly like to give the impression of doing so.”

    “Perhaps if Kneecap’s distasteful references to Thatcher and other symbols of the Troubles had not been tolerated up to this point, a little more care might have been taken with the Yanks.”

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,091 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Kneecap getting a large amount of support from the music community.

    Eric Cantona of all people supporting them too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,137 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    That’s Eric Cantona who’s a convert to Islam and married to a Muslim woman? No way he’d be antisemitic at all I’m sure.

    As for the claim that it’s about freedom of expression for artists, how many of them expressed their support for the young Israeli singer who needed police protection at Eurovision? Not much concern for her was there?

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,091 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    It's not antisemetic to call out Israels genocide. They like to label people as that for the any criticism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Have lost all

    Correct. I have lost all respect for Eric Cantona, and for Christy Moore too, for siding with Irish Racists when they call for the murder of English politicians they do not like, and express support for those who carried out the 1200 October murders and 250 kidnappings in Israel of babies and civilians, igniting the current conflict.

    If people express support for violence and Racists are they not Racists too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Lots of Israeli supporters here.

    I'm delighted to see the masks falling.

    I would guess most would be happy with the annihilation of Palestine, and possibly the annihilation of the Muslim religion entirely.

    I know in my community that everyone I've spoke to are in support of a two state solution, and the end of the Israeli assault on the Palestinian people.

    Also delighted to see the hundreds of musicians signing the letter asking for Kneecap to be reinstated on festivals they were kicked out of.

    I'll be working in the Falls Road in a couple of weeks and I guarantee the Palestinian flags will be flying, and the support of Kneecap will be as large as ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,271 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Have you any evidence to suggest Eric Cantona is 'anti semitic'? A tad laughable you're engaging in a touch of islamaphobia at the same time as lamenting alleged antisemitism.

    Post edited by MFPM on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,135 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Does international law allow murder, torture and the taking of hostages from their own homes and a music festival? I dont think so. Does it allow live streaming of chopping off peoples heads and parading defiled bodies in the back of trucks? News to me if so. And thats beside the fact that gaza isnt an occupied territory. Even if you buy into the resistance narrative, they tried to hack the heads off of thai workers and took some of them hostage too. What do they have to do with anything?

    Hamas are terrorists and not a 'resistance movement'. Pretty much every world government, and even the citizens of gaza who are protesting them, and being killed by them for doing so, agree . They are a government who kill and starve their own people, and murder people for being gay. Those people actually find refuge in israel, because you can be gay there without being killed. Or christian, atheist or any number of things that hamas wont tolerate. Kneecap, and their fans would be lucky not to be killed by them if they ever encountered their heroes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,708 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,135 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    So you think that beheading, raping, murdering and kidnapping people is a legitimate resistance movement, but that guy being on the bbc is too much for you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,708 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Do you support the torture and permmanent disfigurement of boys, as happened during numerous permanent KNEECAPPINGS?

    We Know you support the racist band Kneecap, and think there was no alternative to the murder of English MPs, and support Kneecaps call for the murder of more, so no surprise if you support knecapping also?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭Enter Username Here


    How are they a racist band?

    If you mean anti-semitic, is michael higgins also? As he was accused of being so recently. Baring in mind, no matter what way anybody likes to paint it, Palestinian people are also a semitic people, it just doesn't suit pro israel narrative to have that pointed out.

    As for the jewish groups, they are correct in condemning what an anti-establishment pop group said with regard to hamas and hezbollah, but the band were also correct in pointing out that israel is committing genocide, and it is mostly being ignored. Why have the jewish groups not spoken about that? If they speak for all jews -which they do not, then they cannot just defend the zionists, as there are jewish groups and people that are also against the genocide, they do not pretend to speak for the zionists, which would not make sense, so why do the zion groups claim to speak for them?

    They are zionists first, jewish second. Anti-semitism has nothing to do with it.



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