Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

Like I said you make the decisions for your daughter.

In reality though that is the age you need to insure girls stay in soccer, because the drop out rate is a cliff face.

One of the main reasons for that is confidence in ability, largely due to not having proper coaching or facilities up until that point.

We have removed that with our inclusive policy.

Again, we know exactly what we are doing.

Imaginative Scenarios of 16 stone hairy males killing your daughter wouldn't be entertained.

What did your last maid die of? Google it yourself - wait, no need, all the relevant information is there on hecheated.org which has been linked at least twice now.

The women's volleyball teams in the US were forced to compete against a team containing a male, or forfeit. Based on previous posts I expect you'll characterise that as them having a choice, but it's not a great one, is it?

And my post referred to males forcing themselves into women's sports, with all the implications that flow from that.

Curious.

Is anyone on here someone who was a trans ally and then admitted they were wrong?

Because I find those people courageous and fearless, even if I don't agree with them.

Well, my opinions have definitely shifted a lot, and I would absolutely say that I would view my original opinions as being wrong. But in the context of this thread, I was never in favour of allowing male sex athletes into the female category.

But seeing the vacuousness of the arguments in the sports area has opened my eyes up to how ideological and unscientific the TRA arguments are for things like medical intervention for transgender children, for example. I would have assumed differently previously.

Similarly, I would have been delighted to see the gender Recognition Act becoming law here, but now I can see that it is poorly written and causes all sorts of problems with female sex-based rights.

Good luck getting a straight answer to that question 😄

Commonsense kicking in in all sports finally. And that's what it is, commonsense, it's not about hate.

This sums up the timeline of the Trans movement over the last 10 years quite succinctly. Their reaction to any sort of debate was to shut it down.

I missed the intensity of the first few years of it, but was vaguely aware of the adult kerfuffle and the opposing sides.. e.g Billy Bragg vs JK Rowling.

Alarm bells rang soon after, however, when the whole trans kids thing kicked off in earnest.. talk of surgery/drugs and the set up of special clinics to support kids’ transition. I could not get my head around the horror as these kids weren’t mature enough and urgently needed mental health support & understanding to navigate their way over the coming years to a decision once 18.

I didn’t understand it at all and don’t think I ever will. WTAF were all the adults doing? How could they facilitate the horror show without allowing kids time to process it all, understand what the drugs would do, the surgeries - along with the serious life long injuries and disabilities that are associated with these surgical/medical interventions.

To my mind, it’s criminal and soon enough I think we will hear more and more from victims about the damage inflicted on them when they weren’t mature enough to know fully what they were getting themselves into.

I never realised the full extent of how ignored women were/are or how much their “No” gets patted away and dismissed until quite recently. It’s been an eye opener to see how deeply embedded and accepted society’s levels of casual misogyny.

The tone deaf response from male journalists commentators who should know better, but don’t.. Alistair Campbell, Rory Stewart, Owen Jones, Good Law Project’s Jolyon Maugham to name but a few, have not acknowledged wide-range societal importance of safety and fairness for women & girls, nor acknowledged or apologised to women for the harm and erosion of their rights over the last 10 years. This is an eye opener, to say the least.

I’m gobsmacked by their inability to separate women’s rights from Tran’s rights and to accept that the recent ruling was to define and clarify the law, not change it.. not to uphold or create a new discriminatory law against trans. All that has happened is women have said No. They’ve said No under the rule of law and are correct and within their rights to do so.

Surely these men I’ve listed are not that thick? Surely they’re not wilfully misogynistic? Or that disrespectful? Is it just wilful ignorance perhaps?

Whatever the reason, I’ve lost all respect for their professional abilities as commentators.. they’ve failed to get off their lazy intellectual arses and address these issues realistically, practically and within the framework of the law.

Dismally poor.

Fairness and equality trumps some young transgenders mental health even if it is only at a local blitz football tournament.

Boys and Girls are included in blitz football.

Ability not gender.

@Boggles Up to what age?

Also any answer to the question above as to whether you would allow a 16 year old male box a 16 year old female?

No one in their right mind would allow that to happen but admitting so undermines their whole argument that theres nothing wrong with boys and girls competing together so...crickets

At least the FA are seeing sense now. Ian O'Riordan in the Irish Times refers to it here.

He also uses the unusual occasion where a woman was the outright winner of an elite level 5 mile running race to state his own view fairly clearly. Is he the first Irish sports journalist to do so (not counting occasional correspondents like Sonia O'Sullivan), albeit after the event in the case of both athletics and football?

While Allen’s victory also pokes gentle fun at the idea of what women can achieve, it doesn’t in any way alter the need, as I see it, to protect the entirely separate women’s category. The English FA were the latest sporting body to address that this week, banning all transgender women from the women’s game from the beginning of next month. This follows last month’s UK supreme court ruling that the terms “woman” and “sex” in the Equality Act refer only to a biological woman and to biological sex. World Athletics has made its stance clear, and other sporting bodies have followed.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/athletics/2025/05/04/ian-oriordan-do-we-need-to-protect-the-limits-of-womens-distance-running/

Interesting that the headline on that online article is watered down compared to the printed edition which says: "Sometimes limits, as with women's sport, need careful protection"

Also incidentally, in the same paper, there's a report on the Skort/short controversy in Camogie. Could you imagine the idea that in 2025 male GAA players would be forced to wear a shirt and tie, for example, or anything other than what is generally agreed to be the most comfortable attire? Nothing personal against the referee as he is just enforcing the rules, but the photo with the article, is worth a thousand words.

then I find it quite funny and rather hypocritical that the few GC gays will go on about pronouns but then celebrate elder gays who would call themselves (and any other man) 'she', thanks to the quirks of polari.

They are still saying a man call himself she, without even succumbing to 'gender madness'.

That's a bit different from saying that a trans woman IS a woman, though? I mean, Polari is like Cockney rhyming slang; it deliberately subverts normal language so as to be understandable to insiders only. Yet you would never say that someone who regularly used examples like "Use your loaf" was being hypocritical if they then refused to believe in transubstantiation.