Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

Orwell road must have been out in the sun all day knocking back vodka by the sounds of it.

It's naive to say the least, that Putin will participate in good faith during any negotiation and that he will adhere to any peace. Putin's vision is an expanded empire taken by force if necessary, with a weakened Europe in thrall to Russia. Appeasing Putin is simply not going to work and therefore expecting a negotiated peace is risible.

It seems to me that anything I say that doesn't chime with your viewpoint is dismissed as whataboutism.

No I dismiss whataboutism as whataboutism. Which is what you did. Which is why I dismissed it. We're talking about the direct victims of this war. Ukraine. You bleating on about the American arms industry giving the homeless in America a hard time is whataboutism. "Whatabout the poor in america". Pure and simple.

Perhaps you could point to somewhere I've been apoplectic as I'm not aware of it.

Oh should I start both sidesing the Palestinians being murdered by Israel for you? That wouldn't upset you? I'm not going trawling through your posting history to make a point that will just be ignored. Anyone who wants to see how you shoehorn a whine about Isreal/American arms industry into just about every topic you bother to post on can see it for themselves

Scott Horton, author of provoked, assigning blame to both The West and Putin today.

Just to be clear. I have absolutely negative care for any vatniked brained, internet rabbit holed, widely discredited Russian sympathetic theologans. Come up with your own arguments and stop being so lazy.

Ill be ignoring any lengthy copy pasted waffle quoting such figures in future. So don't waste your time.

I think I add balance but there's no denying that Russia has used murder to resolve these issues which is deplorable

Russia invaded Ukraine. And are using murder to resolve their differences on land that isn't theirs. But you think there should be a both sides to said murder acts? Disgusting but gotcha.

Don't you think it'd just be easier if they just went home? Then they could just like….. not have to use murder. Ukraine aren't going to chase them to Moscow.

I think it's a negotiated peace. You don't.

You are both ignoring the exact words I said and also putting more into my mouth. Bravo. But also try not to do that ok? It doesn't make for very interesting reading.

Lets repeat nicely and slowly. UKRAINE OFFERED A CEASEFIRE FOR NEGOTIATION. RUSSIA REFUSED. Try not to ignore this uncomfortable little fact again. I know it completely dismantles your stupid arguments that somehow both sides are at fault here. But reality is hard sometimes.

Yeah is it this same guy who has a "nice Ukrainian neighbour"? Or was that one of the other genocide apologists?

Naturally all these "friends" agree with them.

Mod Edit: Warned for link dumping

I'm sure your post has some worthy points. But it's a tough read without paragraphs. Any chance you could stick a couple in? 😅

I don't think you are as sensitive as you are trying to imply. Responses to your posts have been very reasonable in light of your blatant pro putin stance and constant repetition of kremlin sponsored h**rs*s**t to try to deflect from and justify putin's terrorist campaign against the people of Ukraine. Your phrasing of the political violence in Odessa that resulted in pro putin protesters loosing their lives in clashes that also resulted in deaths of people protesting for a free Ukraine is very one sided and sounds like you think it somehow justifies putin attacking Ukraine for years killing thousands of its people and making millions of Ukrainians homeless. Do you agree that lives could be saved in Ukraine if putin sent his terrorists back home to the russian federation and stopped trying to claim new land for his empire?

That bridge again…

Once again countries closest to the aggressor constantly preparing to defend themselves

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj9exj0nn0ko

"At a military training ground near the city of Wroclaw, ordinary Poles are lining up, waiting to be handed guns and taught how to shoot. "Once the round is loaded, the weapon is ready to fire," barks the instructor, a Polish soldier, his face smeared with camouflage paint.

Young and old, men and women, parents and children, they've all come here for one reason: to learn how to survive an armed attack.

As well as a turn on the shooting range, this Saturday morning programme, called "Train with the Army", also teaches civilians hand-to-hand combat, first aid and how to put on a gas mask.

"The times are dangerous now, we need to be ready," says the co-ordinator of the project, Captain Adam Sielicki. "We have a military threat from Russia, and we are preparing for this."

Capt Sielicki says the programme is oversubscribed, and the Polish government now has plans to expand it so that every adult male in the country receives training. Poland, which shares borders with both Russia and Ukraine, says it will spend almost 5% of GDP on defence this year, the highest in Nato."

"Dariusz is one of those attending the Saturday course in Wroclaw, and says he would be the "very first" to volunteer if Poland were attacked. "History has taught us that we must be prepared to defend ourselves on our own. We cannot rely on anyone else. Today alliances exist, and tomorrow they are broken."

As he removes his gas mask, Bartek says he thinks most Poles "will take up arms" if attacked, "and be ready to defend the country."

Agata is attending with a friend. She says the election of Donald Trump has made people more worried. "He wants to pull out [of Europe]. That's why we feel even less safe. If we're not prepared and Russia attacks us, we'll simply become their prisoners."

Russian fighter jet shot down over the black sea by naval drone!

Apologies Virgil for the sloppy writing style….Had I kept a diary , I'm pretty sure that I would have enough storys in me to write a book. As it is, I was typing and thinking, and not neccessarily in any direct order. The problem is, the memories flood back once I start thinking about it at all, too many and all at once. Each and every incidend I mentioned had its own story,but would take time to tell. What I have written is the tip of its own iceberg. But if you want to, feel free to tidy it up a bit, with my blessing, OK?

Medvedev is exactly as you describe him….Putins Puppet. But behind Putin are the men of the KGB/ FSB who actually selected him to replace Yeltsin. Maybe there are (on a balance, probably are) more hardline types, but having seen what Putins mis- adventures have done to the RF, its unlikely they would take the same path, at least immediately. Firstly, what Putin had back in 2022, and earlier 2014, in terms of cash, manpower and weapons,no longer exists. Russia is now only a shadow of its former self. It would be extremely difficult, if not impossible, for a Putin replacement to start another war. More likely Putins replacement would prefer to let Putin take the blame and responsibility for all that has happened, and his replacement start with a new leaf, so to speak.

Lol.... What odd timing...