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General British politics discussion thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,613 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    For Women Scotland.

    Cannot let today pass without mentioning the historic landmark ruling from the Supreme Court in London. Hopefully giving clarity to an issue (equality act 2010) that has caused consternation and confusion for years now. Finally settled today with clarity and certainty regarding sex based rights for women, who make-up 51% of the UK population. A practical, biological & common sense solution. And like the judge says "There are no winners in this case", just some much needed clarity . . .

    https://news.sky.com/story/uk-supreme-court-makes-unanimous-decision-on-definition-of-a-woman-13349170



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,856 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's a drama series that's been acclaimed for accurately depicting a very real and serious societal problem. It's not the same as moaning that the PM isn't up on Corrie.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,874 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The media and Badenoch know it's catch 22 for her.

    She either has to be seen as "out of touch" with the public for not being into cultural phenomenon or admit to seeing it and then have to answer questions about it's content which will mean picking sides between the Robinson/Farage lovers and moderate Tory voters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,523 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Nevetheless, it's just a drama series. It's reasonable to ask whether, and how, Badenoch is engaging with the societal problem. It's beyond trivial to ask how she is engaging with the drama series.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    It's quite difficult to judge how accurately the issue is being depicted as it is a drama series so obviously a huge amount of dramatic license is going to be used. Coronation Street has highlighted numerous societal issues over the years aswell so really Adolescent is no better than that. Should politicians have been expected to watch Coronation Street in the early 00's when Sarah Platt was pregnant as a way of trying to find a solution to teen pregnancy?

    Politicians would have access to real life case reports and reports on all the issues highlighted in the show so if they were doing their job properly it would highlight zero for them.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,856 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Badenoch has no interest in engaging with problems. She thinks that she can exploit culture war issues to win the next election. She's wrong.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,874 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It is but her own crowd were the very same low lives that spent months fretting over what colour poppy Jeremy Corbyn wore or trying to shame John Prescott for the crime of a working class man enjoying some of the finer things they do every day.

    Tories and their tabloid buddies created this monster so they can shove it up their wholes for all I care.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,523 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    ". . . what colour poopy Jeremy Corbyn wore . . ."

    Wins typo of the month, I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,402 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Not a huge shock to see Reform UK and Farage winning the Runcorn by-election and cleaning up in the local elections.

    British politics is in a very strange place though - no real presence of the Left (bar the Greens perhaps?) and various shades of right wing parties jockeying for power. 'Labour' votes readily transferring to Reform UK across the country is an eye opener.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,874 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I hope the combined 10% that voted Green and LD are happy with their new Reform MP.

    These elections will be a nice reminder that the English electorate have learned nothing from Brexit or Trump and large portions are still thick as sht. They obviously think Brexit failed because "it didn't get done good".



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,856 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I think people have moved on from Brexit at this point. The 20-20-20-20 split reflects a complete fragmentation of British politics.

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    But yes, FPTP demands tactical voting and huge amounts of people either want to kick Labour in the teeth or whatever but they've handed a seat to Reform based on a six vote margin.

    Ultimately, the Conservatives are still incredibly toxic and voters have yet to forget their absymal performance and gutting of the British state. It's fascinating to see them get from then right what Labour has had to deal with at the other end. If this split endures, it's going to be baffling to see Party A get something like 100 seats on 24% of the vote and B on 60 seats off 23%.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,874 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    If they moved on from Brexit they wouldn't think Farage is the man with the answers.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,856 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    But he's not even talking about Brexit any more. He's on about net zero, refugees, woke and other nonsense.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,983 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I hope the combined 10% that voted Green and LD are happy with their new Reform MP.

    I think that's somewhat unfair. It is not their fault that 38.7% of voters chose Reform. The problem is not that people want alternatives: the problem is that a large chunk of the electorate think that Reform is an acceptable alternative



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,651 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It's all fairly complicated. But Brexit has just accelerated the immiseration of the UK and all the attendant problems that come with that. And there is still a significant part of the population who think the worsening situation is cause Brexit wasn't done properly and they need to be more and more hardcore. And those are Reform voters - they may have outwardly shifted from explicitly blaming the EU to blaming migrants, but it is the same demographic. And Brexit is still a founding element of the support.

    Also they all share the same belief in completely impractical and fanciful, and indeed farcical, proposed "solutions".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,402 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It does seem like the UK has a large "MAGAfied" section among its electorate. Labour votes readily transferring to Reform UK is eyeopening stuff - most analysts would class Reform as a 'far right' party using the commonly understood European definition. It does tell us that Labour have long since given up the ghost of being a left wing party or having any connection to the left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,402 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Could we see a Reform - Tory coalition government after the next general election? It obviously would be a Trump style car crash given the abject lack of talent in both parties, but we may well be heading in such a direction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,874 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    There was a fairly large chunk of the Northern Labour vote that wasn't about left and right but about being anti Tory as part of their regional identity.

    They may have had some vague understanding regarding unions and miners but they were not left wing voters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,402 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    They seem to have no particular issue with many aspects of Farage's manifesto (or else they wouldn't vote for him) so the assumption would have to be that they are right wing or hard right these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,874 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Protectionist is the best way to describe what they think they are doing. It used the idea that Labour look after jobs up North and now it's getting the foreigners out to horde (the imaginary) jobs.

    But ya if you vote Reform you are far right even if you are too thick to understand it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,953 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    The Northern Labour vote was completely corrupted by Brexit, where you had dyed-in-the-wool miners, dockers and their families starting to vote Tory to bring back the sunlit uplands and send the Poles home. Reform have now taken that vote, its not gone back to Labour, nor will it anytime soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭quokula


    It's remarkable really. He was the driving force behind Brexit, yet he's reaping the benefits of the two main parties seeing their support base collapse because they had to oversee the damage caused by Brexit. And now he's just coming up with a new set of imaginary problems to blame everything on.

    Not to say the Tories are without blame for their disastrous governance of course, or Starmer for his determination to shift Labour to the right ever since becoming leader. I guess Starmer's calculation is to make all the obvious terrible decisions like removing winter fuel and capping child benefits early, in the hope they'll be forgotten about by the time the next general election rolls around. The Labour government will take the blame for local councils being run disastrously by the reform rabble though.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,856 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It wasn't. They made a decision to back Johnson in 2019 and ate the consequences. Say what you will about the Tories but they were remarkably consistent with their contempt for the country over the last 14 years. It feels to me like they wanted Brexit to get sorted out so they voted for the party which had spent 9 years trashing the country and the result was predictable.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,776 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Just typical right wing trash talk. They've no solutions, despite telling everyone how awful everything is and they can't actually win anything based on what they really want to do which is transfer wealth upwards. So they pivot to mickey mouse nonsense that winds people up.

    Hopefully the Trump clown show over in the US can focus some minds and make them realise that voting these shitbags into power is never a good idea, despite what side of the political aisle you fall on.

    Everyone loses with these types.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,874 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Northern England voted for Brexit. They didn't not back the Tories to sort it out.

    Working class northern England was one of Brexit's most vociferous drivers.

    As for today this is an incredible kicking. Badenoch is probably too new to be dumped so soon but her aping of Reform is pointless when people have the real fascist deal to vote for. I'de like to think a dose of power will show Reform for the clowns they are but idiots voted Trump twice so lessons probably won't be learned.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,050 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    On a turn out of 42.6% it means that just under a sixth of the electorate voted for Reform.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,874 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Even more shocking is the Tories as this was a Tory heavy local election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,048 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Looks like the writing is on the wall. As I write this, I'm watching a clip of Jacob Rees Mogg on Channel 4 news saying he agrees with much of Farage's platform. I think that sentiment is going to spread through the Tories like a virus as they watch the opinion polls and it'll come down to a question of formal alliance or straight up merger with Reform for the next general.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,302 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Labour have appealed to the notional Reform voters since they got in, and this is the result, so maybe it's time for a change. Or maybe they go down the Limmy route, don't back down, double down.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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