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No quitten we're whelan onto chitchat 12.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 727 ✭✭✭eire23


    Thats for sure and they couldnt do enough for you. I suppose no more than people born here, some people arriving here want to work and better themselves and others want as much as they can get for doing as little as possible. If the latter could be weeded out it would be great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,609 ✭✭✭straight


    I hope ye all got the holy water done for May eve last night… Question for ye....

    It's hard to get quotes from painters not to mind getting someone to go a job.

    I have a 2 storey house here about 40 feet by 30 feet with a small room to one side. Standard enough detached two storey in the countryside.

    A painter has quoted me almost 5k to powerwash, primer and 2 coats of quality paint. Do ye think that is about right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,669 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Who supplies paint?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 814 ✭✭✭degetme


    Does anyone know if your neighbour is locked up with tb and I'm gone over 5 months heading for the 6th month since last passed tb test, am I going to be asked to test. Has the 4 month rule being changed to 6 months



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭GC4


    It's not about blaming immigrants, so calm down, your always on a high horse, almost like you're getting paid to house them. Fact is, doctors are given a list of newcomers to put on their books, they have no choice in the matter, and then there's no scope to take on new patients actually from the area. I'm talking about real situation here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,061 ✭✭✭Suckler


    GP's etc. are not legally obligated to automatically take on medical card holders. There's also the insinuation that the 'rather large list' of immigrants become and immediate drain on the health system once they've a medical card in hand. We build facilities for patients with the local councillor & politician fanfare; but haven't the resources in place to run them. The number of doctors we train & retain is a bigger issue for all of us.

     almost like you're getting paid to house them.

    There's always these lines bandied about "you must work for government" / "you must be getting paid"

    I've been critical of how people questioning immigration is being handled and how IPAS centre/housing of asylum seekers is suspect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,609 ✭✭✭straight


    they supply everything. Professional painter in fairness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭GC4


    Wrong, they will take them on or risk loosing their medical card list. That's straight from a GP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,686 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    @straight, I am assuming they are also providing hoist, scaffold or whatever to reach the high points, I also assume they are fully insured & will provide you with a copy of same before they start any works. If the above are all included along with the paint, then I would consider that a reasonable price.

    In reality you should also ask for, method statements, risk assessment, safety statements, copies of safe pass, tickets to use hoist or erect scaffold, but no private individual does but do get a copy of the insurance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,061 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Nope. I am correct; they are in no way at risk of losing their medical card risk - why? Because there's a massive shortage of doctors and medical staff. They also cannot possible work 24/7 so they can and do refuse medical card holders routinely. That's also straight from a GP.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,948 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Absolutely and on the main well educated good caring staff.
    No reason to believe that the % of immigrants causing trouble is any higher % than our own, and certainly doubtful the mobs we export worldwide are any better behaved.

    Bring up any potential crime by an imigrant and I bet there’s equal or worse committed by “our own” who are illegal undocumented in the states or elsewhere. But hey, they are white English speaking so it’s less of a problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭GC4


    Ok, you're correct because you say so, i got my info from not justy own GP but my next door neighbour who is also a GP. There is no legal obligation because imagine the uproar if they were legally obligated to take them and then not able to take on Irish patients. I have it from the GP as I've already said, that they risk loosing the GP list. I believe the GP over you anyday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,317 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    No one has any problem with imagrants who are working ,the problem is welfare imagrants ,some from the UK who will never do a days work but who will be entitled to a medical card,subsidised housing and all the other social welfare benefits they are entitled even though they will never contribute to society



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,061 ✭✭✭Suckler


    No; as I said mine is also from a GP.

    GP's limit the numbers they take on, having a medical card doesn't mean they can force there way on to a list.

    There is no legal obligation because imagine the uproar 

    So you agree then? It's not a legal requirement, they can and do limit numbers. They simply cannot lose their medical card list over it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭GC4


    I never said there was a legal requirement.

    My neighbour a GP as I mentioned, got a list of 350 to put on her books. The man that does my digger work went to her to get on her patient list as his GP had passed away, this was about the same time she got her imaginary list, and she had to refuse him on the ground that her patient list had passed what she could handle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,061 ✭✭✭Suckler


    I never said there was a legal requirement.

    Well then they don't have to take them on, and do routinely say no. This categorically does not result in them losing medical card holders already on their books.

    My neighbour a GP as I mentioned, got a list of 350 to put on her books. The man that does my digger work went to her to get on her patient list as his GP had passed away, this was about the same time she got her imaginary list, and she had to refuse him on the ground that her patient list had passed what she could handle.

    They obviously had capacity to take on 350+. My GP simply couldn't.

    But if it was an "imaginary list" why was the other guy refused??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭GC4


    I think you're just taking the piss now, so I'm off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,313 ✭✭✭carrollsno1


    That's the thing these lefty liberals can't seem to get their head around. I was in Australia myself on a WHV a few years back and I'm going to be emigrating in the near 5 again. Why did I leave Australia the time I did well simply because I wasn't going to overstay and said I'd get a trade instead and I can head back LEGALLY if it something I ever want to do. I hadn't much time for the illegal Irish I knew over there at the time most of them were pissheads who couldn't hold a job and the only way they contributed to Australia was through taxes on drink and fags. I'm working with immigrants everyday of the week from all over the place and they even have no time for these wasters coming into the country and why would they they had to go through a process to get into the country and have a skill in demand not like the passport flushers coming over here with the hand out.

    Better living everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,494 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    We're waiting 12 mths for our painter, his quote is €2500 for labour only, for 250ft of walls 12ft high and 100ft of a garden wall 3ft high, He says it'll take about €1000 worth of paint. he sprayed the walls with fungicide yesterday so he'll be along shortly to powerwash the walls. Your painter sounds expensive



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,948 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Jez you need to have a look about online and realise there is a a massive cohort of the right who have a problem with all immigrants working or not, law abiding or not.

    As for working vs not working, we have families of “our own” here where nobody has had a job in three generations, I’d rather see them scrutinised than someone who has just arrived and is likely to get a job given the chance.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,317 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    So basically you are saying migrants that come here that wont even learn english should be prioritised for welfare above our own home grown wasters because that what it sounds like .

    Surely it should be necessary that after some length of time living here that migrants should have some level of english proficiency as that would be a starting point in getting a job,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭visatorro


    I didn't think straight price was too bad.

    Painted The home place recently. Was 12 months waiting on the painter aswell. And he said at the start he would be a year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,666 ✭✭✭50HX


    Re painters Try & do as much of the prep work yourself.

    I gave most of a Sunday here power washing the house & taking off the down pipes, few fillers here & there,windows covered

    2 man operation 150p/h/day...cash job. Out the gap in 3.5 days incl dormer & chimney, & a low sidewall

    He did the inside for me years ago & gets through some amount of work once things are laid out right e.g doors off hinges

    id rather go to the bog than paint😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,609 ✭✭✭straight


    I'm waiting 12 months for this fella too. He does sound expensive but I probably have about 2500 sq ft. of walls. A coat of primer and 2 coats of quality paint supplied. Hire of cherry picker included. And vat included. It's a rob alright but might not be far off the going rate for a proper job. Can hardly get a quote off anyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭Wildsurfer


    What is the primer for, it's only a house not a Ferrari. We have big old 2 storey here and gets touched up with a coat or 2 about every 3 years, be done in 2 days with a bit of help. 5K to paint the outside of a house, you'd know farming is going well!



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,296 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Just started reading this - I’ll let ye know if there’s anything useful to report on migration but I’m guessing it’s not a new phenomenon

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    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,948 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    can you quote back where I said anything about entertaining migrants who “won’t learn english”.
    Go on. Ill wait.

    Do me a favour and hold your breath until you find it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,994 ✭✭✭Odelay


    Yep, my teacher for the last three years in three teacher primary school was the headmaster and he chain smoked in the classroom all day long.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,609 ✭✭✭straight


    I don't know what the primer is.

    The value that people outside of farming place on their time is amazing. 300 euro the other day for an electrician to change an extractor fan in a house In the city. He lives next door but it took him weeks to send in his apprentice for an hour. These guys are strictly 9-5 at best. Can't get in contact with him now because the tenant said it seems to be done wrong. He was very good on the phone when he needed payment. I end up doing most things myself.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,609 ✭✭✭straight


    This fella Is 500 euro roughly to wash the house including chimneys, facia, soffit, etc. Also includes the cherry picker hire. Wouldn't be worth my while washing it myself.



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