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Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Well we keep being told they're such a tiny minority that it makes no difference to women, so presumably such a tiny extra number won't require multiple extra individual use toilets either.

    In fact I've regularly seen trans activists tell women that if they object to TW in the female toilets or changing rooms, they should use the disabled facilities themselves, and let the non-bigoted women share the female toilets with their "trans siblings". Nobody ever seemed to say that that would concern enough women to require extra facilities - and women are 51% of the population.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,458 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    For now I'll add it to the burgeoning "unsubstantiated" folder.

    No need. It's a literal fact.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Thanks boggles, that made me laugh even more than the Tracy Ullmann video.

    From the XX-XY website:

    We want all girls and women to know when they
    stand up for themselves, they will not stand alone.
    We’ll be right there with them.

    That’s why we are launching our XX-XY Athletics Fund
    and introducing the Courage Wins award program:
    a donation-directed program for brave female
    athletes who speak up, and stand up for women’s sports.

    It’s uncomfortable saying unpopular but true things
    out loud, but Courage Wins will help take “monetary cancellation”
    off the table, and make doing the right thing a little bit easier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,458 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    What is confusing you?

    They bribe women to drop out of events.

    It's manufactured outrage to sell overpriced tat.

    No one seemed to take the bait for the Boston Marathon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭aero2k


    I suppose I should defer to you - your posts are a testament to your expertise in manufacturing outrage.

    I once had a prospective employer pay for my flight to an interview in London (pre-Zoom days). Were they bribing me to attend?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,458 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I once had a prospective employer pay for my flight to an interview in London (pre-Zoom days). Were they bribing me to attend?

    Did they stick you on their website in a t-shirt give you money and pretend how brave you were whilst monetising the outrage?

    If not, it's not really relevant or comparable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I am highly amused that left wing media including Lorraine Kelly are attempting to raise concern with the general public for where trans people will go to the loo following the supreme count judgement, after years of telling us that people are making too much of a fuss about this tiny tiny minority. Well good luck with that because in the real world nobody cares about their little dilemmas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Women SHOULD be encouraged to take a stand against men competing in their sports. Why should they lose out on prize money/sponsorship for doing the right and moral thing??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭aero2k


    One man's reward is another man's bribery, don'tcha know, especially when outrage needs to be manufactured.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Seeing as the NHS pays for “life-saving” hormones and surgery, I think that’s a reasonable assumption.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭plodder


    I was wondering who is arguing in bad faith now, when I saw that post you replied to ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Of course. It's such a terrible argument I wasn't sure where to start!

    I mean, I could equally have replied that pregnancy is not a disability, yet pregnant women often use the disabled toilets, or that it's very offensive to disabled people to take offence at being associated in any way with them.

    It's very like the way trans activists resort so readily to racist and sexist comments about black women. "Be kind", you say?? Not in my experience they aren't - it's very much a one way thing!

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭aero2k


    The pushback against the judgement is starting:

    McCloud tried to join the Supreme Court case but was refused. McCloud also says ordinary women and disabled people were not represented, and that the judgement , along with subsequent government and equality commission statements, has caused chaos. That seems a bit extreme to me, but it will be interesting to see what the ECHR thinks.

    More worrying is the BMA position outlined in the linked article:

    Resident doctors working in the NHS also condemned the supreme court’s ruling on gender as having “no basis in science or medicine”.

    Medics at the British Medical Association’s (BMA) resident doctors conference in London passed a motion stating that “attempting to impose a rigid binary has no basis in science or medicine”.

    While the motion was passed at the conference it will not become BMA policy unless voted on at the union’s annual meeting later this year. (emphasis mine)

    Thankfully as we've previously found the BMA don't seem to represent doctors in general.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭aero2k


    It was 1987. They gave me 2 sets of Nomex overalls, a pair of safety shoes and a plane ticket to Nigeria - a case of wellsites rather than websites. Bravery was taken for granted, whether that was having an UZI pointed at me by a corrupt cop or dealing with belligerent oilmen twice my age. I did learn the meaning of bribery though😀.

    I'll assume you're deliberately missing the point, as stating the alternative interpretation of your posting would probably be regarded as uncivil. "Bribery" usually refers to offering a financial inducement to get another person to do something illegal, unethical, or corrupt. The word is also used in the context of offering an ice cream dessert if the kids finish their broccoli. In either case it's an arrangement with a specific person, and not at all the same as removing an obstacle that might prevent someone from doing something that they want to do anyway. I got a grant from SEAI - did they bribe me to upgrade my home? And no, I'm not on their website, but I am part of their statistics which they no doubt report on a regular basis.

    Is it hypocritical for a someone who has declared their dedication to precise use of language, to use "bribery" when "reward" is a much more accurate description of Sey's actions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,458 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    to use "bribery" when "reward" is a much more accurate description of Sey's actions?

    I think bribery is apt.

    Manipulate for monetary gain, probably fleshes it some more.

    Alphabet soup aside, it's pretty clear what she is doing.

    But you know that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭aero2k


    I don't think "bribery" is apt

    From Wikipedia - other sources concur:

    Manipulation differs from general influence and persuasion.

    Manipulation, unlike persuasion, typically involves exploiting the vulnerabilities of an individual.

    How is the precision in language coming along for you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭plodder


    It's funny how this discussion treats the (allegedly) wronged person Natalie Daniels, as an unwitting pawn, being manipulated, lacking the agency to make her own decisions.

    I checked Sey's website and I don't see any photos or mentions of Daniels. So, maybe she actually has a mind of her own and declined the offer of sponsorship.

    You can see the list of athletes supported by Sey at the page below, and she's not on it.

    https://www.xx-xyathletics.com/pages/our-athletes

    Also, an interesting interview with the woman herself in the NY Post below which says she reached out to XX-XY rather than the other way round. She also had this to say:

    But last week, only days after running the vaunted race in 2:50:04, new mom Natalie Daniels was booted from her running club in the DC metro area.

    The reason? She spoke up about fairness in women’s sports.

    Daniels doesn’t believe that trans runners should take up women’s spots in races — especially in Boston, which caps the number of marathon participants.

    “I don’t want anyone to think that there’s not a place for trans athletes in sports writ large,” the 33-year-old told me in an emotional interview. “All I am saying is that women — biological women — in women’s sports are valid and they deserve integrity in the results.”

    https://nypost.com/2025/04/29/opinion/new-mom-kicked-out-of-running-club-over-trans-controversy/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭aero2k


    @plodder

    Thanks for that article - looks like it was the un-named running club that was guilty of (attempted) manipulation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    I use the disabled toilets all the time in work an there is nothing wrong with me, i just find them more convenient.

    Surely that's a happy middle ground for everyone.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    The clarification of the law just says female rights refers to sex not gender.

    It's not in any way discriminating against transgender people, it just doesn't pander to how they happen to see themselves and why should any law do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,063 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Plenty of tossers use disabled parking spaces because they are more convenient as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Well it isn't as much of an issue when you know there isn't a disabled person in your office so nobody is being inconvenienced, bit different than taking a disabled parking space for 30 minutes or more when you don't know how many disabled people may need to use one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Using disabled facilities you’re not entitled to use is very different from refusing to use them because you’re offended at being associated with disability in any way.

    Trans women can hardly claim that the reason they stay out of disabled toilets is out of consideration for others!

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,458 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    How can people not see the transparency in this grift.

    She confirms there she responded to Seys Advert on twitter.

    An interview is setup with a conservative Christian podcaster, where she claims the trans athlete is in direct competition with her. Complete lies.

    Sey writes an article in New York Post on the of back it.

    Outrage manufactured.

    Is it any wonder Trump got elected again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,458 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Again you know exactly what she is up to, that's why you are hilariously scouring the dictionary and Wikipedia instead of coming up with anything tangible to defend the insidious practices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Medics at the British Medical Association’s (BMA) resident doctors conference in London passed a motion stating that “attempting to impose a rigid binary has no basis in science or medicine”.

    This rhetoric of 'rigid binary' always makes me laugh. Those who believe know there are only 2 sex's do not have a problem with the concept of naturally occurring sets of things with more than 2 elements. As for the 'rigid' part, well even if there were 5 sex's that would still be a rigid 5, unless they're saying there's 5 today but there could flexibly be more than 5 tomorrow! Then again they probably are saying that 😂.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    The FA will ban transgender women from playing women's football in England from 1st of June

    FA update on Supreme Court ruling on transgender women's participation in football

    Perfectly sensible decision, sanity seems to be somewhat retuning to society regarding this issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭aero2k


    I'd find it easier to respond if you made up your mind about whether Sey's conduct is transparent or insidious. Btw I didn't need the dictionary for either of those words, and only used wikipedia earlier in case you accused me of manufacturing meanings.

    But, during my run yesterday afternoon, I realised that you are absolutely right, I have been a victim of the most egregious bribery, over many years and perpretrated by many agents. The worst transgressors have been the organisers of Dublin City Marathon, who for over 40 years have not only enticed 100's of 1,000's of unsuspecting people into entering their races, but then bribed them to turn up and finish those races with the promise of a t-shirt and a commemorative medal. They have compounded this manipulation by featuring these poor victims in photos and videos on their website, no doubt to further this awfully underhanded corrupt behaviour.

    I am hoping the right therapy will help me come to terms with this deception, though I doubt I'll ever get over the realisation that I could have achieved my dream of an Irish champions medal if only I'd had the presence of mind to embrace my inner woman and get a GRC before my last marathon. That would have entitled me to have my bravery celebrated on hecheated.org.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭aero2k


    hilariously scouring the dictionary and Wikipedia

    Scouring? Ever heard of Google? Reading your posts brings to mind another meaning for the word "scour"….🤣!



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