Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

Why would most adults living at home be working when there are 257,000 students in the country and an unemployment rate of 4% that's be another 20,000. You're also assuming that they all want to buy or rent their own place when many would be happy with the food, rent, bill situation at home where they'd have low or zero costs.

In terms of housing are you stating that refugees are responsible rather than decades of consecutive FF/FG government failing to keep up with high birth rates?

What ease of travel for someone from South Sudan, Gaza or Yemen?

The country will not be bankrupted by a few arrivals. Hyperbole.

Look. I know you think parroting “1951 Refugee Convention” over and over again is some kind of silver bullet to actually having to qualify any of your points but it’s not.

What you say is fundamentally untrue, otherwise every signatory would have the exact same systems for dealing with refugees, but they don’t.

You have said nothing to substantiate any of your points re what form your proposed new system would look like in reality. Because you can’t.

Obviously it’s difficult to try and come up with practical aspects of things that are incompatible with reality, hence your total evasiveness.

That report seems to be from 2022, which is likely before the full whack of Ukrainians came here.

I had viewed a different website figure. Seems to be at the 21.5% figure. For the record, it's foreign born, not citizen, I'm pretty sure there's a lot of foreign born here that are citizens, such as the children of emigrants who came home.

EU population diversity by citizenship and country of birth - Statistics Explained - Eurostat (europa.eu)

112,000 Ukrainians (a third of whom have returned home or moved elsewhere) does not change the figure of non-Irish born from 12% to 21.5%. That's crazy mathematics and utterly false information. The census figures published in 2023 are the ones to be relied upon.

And foreign-born is correct for the Census as I stated above. My first son is non-Irish born and counted as such on the Census irrespective of citizenship. All those children of Irish nationals born abroad are counted as foreign-born. And there are a LOT of them.

If you have read the Convention then I fail to understand why you don't grasp our obligations under it. My default mode here is to post factual information and ask that those with anti-refugee viewpoints refute the information. Thus far I have seen no successful attempt to do so by that lobby. Neither to mine nor to the empirically-based and factually stringent links of others on the centre or left of this discussion.

The bottom line is that we're EU members with freedom of movement that works for both our neighbours and ourselves. We give asylum to refugees as we have received sanctuary ourselves. We can afford it. We have a housing problem that is entirely down to two of the main three parties in the state and the blame lies with FF/FG. Nowhere else.

I fully agree. The issue has never been refugees. There are very few here, on either side, who would disagree that the issue lies with the consecutive failed administrations of FF & FG.

(for the record I've no skin in the political party game - I'm neither a supporter nor member of any party).

Ok

So answer my question then.

If direct provision is abolished like you suggested, and someone arrives into the country, and they have no money or resources to speak of as far as we can tell. How are they provided for during the 3 months of their application?

And how would this new system be distinct from how they are provided for under the current direct provision system?

And how many of your temporary accommodation units would you want to start building right now? What capacity is required now?

Really simple and straightforward question.

I twice replied, clearly and unambiguously. I am unable to help if you do not grasp the statement re support, housing and maintenance.

"We provide as required. We can afford it."

Accommodation stock is also becoming available as people leave, one third of Ukrainians to date. We also build more social housing, we build more private housing and we accommodate asylum seekers for three months in temporary accommodation units, hotels, etc. We have the money to build. We have the personnel. We have the space. We just don't have the politicians.

Are you letting FF and FG off the hook for their failure to plan for decades when we had the highest birth-rate in Europe? Are you still blaming a few thousand refugees for a housing crisis that predates by several years the Arab Spring and Ukraine War?

You stated that 80% of Refugees are frauds. That's utterly and absolutely false and your link confirms that. That's enormously insulting to the people of Ukraine and others who have fled war in their homelands.

No you did not. You failed to offer any distinction in how a new post direct provision system would differ to how the current system operates in the context I asked about. You still have yet to do that - please give some practical examples of the differences.

“As required”, no I asked you directly - what is the current capacity requirement for building new temporary accommodation units? It’s a simple and direct question that should have a simple and direct answer.

No. And I have never once blamed refugees for causing the housing crisis and that’s all I will say on that matter. I refuse to be drawn into a lame attempt to drag the discussion to a random and baseless tangent.