The 2025 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

What facts? You have not presented any facts but suppositions and logical fallacies in the post above

For example;

“The Meath win is further proof that other counties have been wronged “

Elaborate on that please how have Meath being wronged? And where is the “proof”?

If anything Meath are more famous for losing to teams they should beat these days such as Westmeath 2015 in the Leinster SF GAA HQ, Westmeath were 10 points behind. or worse the famous Leinster “win” v Louth in 2010 GAA HQ. They spent the guts of 15 years in div 2. If anyone wronged Meath it is surely their county board for years of mismanagement?

To me the Meath win in Portlaoise is proof of the excellent rules Jim Gavin and Fitzmaurice designed for weaker counties (such as Meath) to force them to be more proactive.
It worked brilliantly no static defensive stuff from the Royals. Jim Gavin effectively saved Meath from themselves.

Constrast this to when Dublin won “pulling up” under the old rules in Navan in the most recent previous encounter during the league in 2023 Div 2. Final score -

The win in Portlaoise for “Da Royals” is also proof that Dublin football still produces great mangers such as former Kilmacud manger and club AI winner- Robbie Brennan.

In summary only for -

1 The rewriting of Gaelic Football Rules (by a Dub)

2. The training of the current Meath manager in the cauldron of Dublin club football,

3. Meath supporters apathy leading to falling attendances, and the Leinster Council deciding to move the game from GAA HQ because of it

Meath would never have come near that win in the location of Portlaoise otherwise.
I did note however, the level of “support” by Meath fans was still very small but vocal in Portlaoise. Most of them didn’t bother showing up, as it was. Have the fans “wronged” their team?

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Those are the three key reasons of Meath’s victory (playing personnel aside) two of which is because of Dublin GAA. And the other is because of how fickle Meath fans have become. As years of losing to not only to Dublin in the last decade, but Westmeath, Louth etc broke the fair weather Meath supporter’s soul.

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Dublin have been too nice to Meath -

Ironically if Meath were broken more and sooner it would have been even more pointless using Croke Park for a Dublin v Meath Leinster SF game.
But Dublin were nice time and again “pulling up” when beating Meath in the past. Bigger hammerings sooner, would have meant a quicker decline in attendance. And therefore a quicker move outside CP.

As the sole reason CP was nominated as a venue was because of crowd size, ticket demand. It needed the Leinster SF to fall to around 20k before it made financial sense for the Leinster Council to move it out of CP.

In 2016 Dublin v Laois Nowlan Park Leinster QF was 16k. Most of those in attendance were Dubs. The Leinster SF’s had to fall to similar levels for the Leinster Council to make it a sensible move. As Dublin (are still) the financial cash cow of the Leinster Council. And those gates trickle down to Leinster counties.
Dublin GAA have been decent enough to accept that for as long as the Leinster Council deemed it beneficial for the province as a whole. Which is very magnanimous in my view.

I explained it simply and clearly. I provided with fact as well. which led to Meath’s win variables which you ignore.

The only variable you chose to pick is the change of venue. Claiming that to be a “proof” Meath were previously “wronged” with no evidence to back up why.
And you would have to question your sincerity in doing so. As your undercurrent of deviousness is very evident. You keep calling CP Dublin’s home it is not. It is GAA HQ.

You claim this change of venue is a proof yet have provided none on a sample size of one game, as well. A proof normally comes with a larger sample size To be statistically viable, examining a hypothesis along with other variables.

You have only focused in on one variable Portlaoise venue, ignoring the far more relevant variable such as rule changes.

Besides those variables the ones on the playing side impacted the result. Example injury of Bugler on the day he didn’t play . And the early retirement of Fenton, along with other injuries .
Do you really think that a full strength Dublin panel would not have folded Meath in the last 10 minutes in Portlaoise ?
Meath were lucky to hang on as it was 1-6 no reply for Dublin late on.

Meath were buckling. 2 pointers saved them, first half. That wasn’t to do with venue. Mostly new rules, and player availability. Tactical errors from Dublin etc.

Again you claim one single match and one variable was a “proof” Meath and other counties were “wronged” citing no other variables. Except change of venue. Why is that?

Using your logic I could say that Dublin hammering Laois Leinster QF in Nowlan Park 2016 championship is is a counter “proof” that Laois don’t like ice cream weather in Nowlan Park. Dublin won by loads it was a non event competitively in a party atmosphere.
Where is the “wrong” then?

You have STILL to back your claim up that this Meath win in Portlaoise was a proof. Repeating the same hypothesis with no evidence.
If the Meath v Dublin match was a series of games, you might have a point.

However, your whole flawed hypothesis is based on one match and one variable- venue. Ignoring rule changes, which is a much more relevant variable than venue change.

Just updating that for you 😏

Kerry/Clare, Armagh/Donegal, Dublin, Derry

I understand what you are saying about Dublin being the greatest team ever, and there have been several hundred (maybe thousand) comments on Boards by either dubs siding with this, or non-dubs arguing about the various advantages which diminish the achievements. I can see both views.

However, you made a comment here not long ago that Croke Park may be a disadvantage for Dublin footballers to play in. This is where you moved from being genuine to being humorous or if not, then being ridiculous. Anyone knows that being familiar with a GAA pitch/ground makes it easier. And also the proximity of being close to the pitch so as not to have to travel far, or stay over in unfamiliar setting. And also more supports than the opposition, again on account of proximity to the ground.

If I were you, I would take back that comment about it being a disadvantage and advise that you were saying it in jest. At least it would show a bit of credibility in terms of your other points.

I bet Kerry and Dublin will end up in the same group to get the media excited.

3 qualifying from a group tempers the jeopardy a bit.

Meath were always seen as Leinsters second best during the Dublin reign

It must really hurt them to know even after beating Dublin they are still the second best team in Leinster as Louth showed against them last year and this year, hammering them twice

The problem with that is you used one limited statistical event which is not statistically significant “Meath beating Dublin Portlaoise” , and using one variable (change of venue) one single match as “evidence” of a proof of being wronged previously.

It is a very small sample size you have picked - one game new rules in Portlaoise.

That is a logical fallacy. As it cannot be statistically significant it was one game.
You also only used one variable venue change. That’s not how data is proven statistically significant.

Also you have not defined “wronged”
Then pretended to apply that very limited data one match, to old previous data under old rules. Ignoring the main variables, various rule changes.

Your whole premise that Meath beating Dublin in Portlaoise is proof that Meath and other counties were “wronged” is flawed one in many respects. You obviously never studied statistics. Your premise cannot be proven statistically significant.

Also in statistics it is better to use more than one single variable.

https://www.statisticssolutions.com/why-your-variables-need-to-vary/

2025 All-Ireland SFC draw

Group 1: Ulster winner, Connacht runner-up, Tyrone, Cavan

Group 2: Munster winner, Leinster runner-up, Roscommon, Cork

Group 3: Leinster winner, Munster runner-up, Monaghan, Down

Group 4: Connacht winner, Ulster runner-up, Dublin, Derry

gp 4 looking spicy

Not sue is it still 3 from 4 or just top two into quaters

Regardless of a win or loss Sunday, that's the 7th successive time Galway have got the hardest draw possible. Future studies could be done about it, especially in relation to other provincial winners from the last few years, i.e Kerry

The odds of it occuring are 2186/1

So group winners go into QF, and come out against 2nd/3rd winners? Hard to have a group of death in that scenario.

Monaghan the big winners above - they are in a stronger position now than Donegal or Armagh, and thats before the Ulster Final even played.

The Louth V Meath game has become even bigger.

No disrespect to any other teams but the winner will be in a group with Monaghan, Clare, Down. The loser will have Kerry, Roscommon, Cork

Both Louth and Meath would be fancying a one off game v Monaghan to go straight into a 1/4 final

Oh I'd agree. Monaghan blew Louth away in the first half in Drogheda in league too

Even aside that, as a Louth man if much rather play Clare and Down, than Roscommon and Cork

I didn't complete the research. It was completed by 2 fellas in the University of Ulster:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/24748668.2018.1528523

They found conclusively that playing at home in Gaelic Football is an advantage. You can send an angry email to the fellas if you want but it won't change facts. Playing at home in Gaelic Football is an advantage. Playing nearly every championship game at home means that Dublin have received a serious advantage for decades. Don't shoot the messenger.