2024 - Dublin STILL ranked as second worst city in the Europe for traveling by car

I often find that people who declare Dublin's transport system "A complete Joke" are the ones who have seen far superior public transport in other cities like London, Paris, Rome, Berlin, Stockholm, Copenhagen

Public transport is a joke. The city centre should be an easy tube/train from anywhere within a 6 or 7 mile radius. But it takes hours.

Anagnini in Rome for example is the last stop on the underground (think Cabinteely or Clonsilla distance from Dublin city centre) to the centre of Rome is about 20 minutes. Loads of people finish work, pop into the city for a drink and a meal and back home again. Same with say Prospect Park in Brooklyn (just because I met someone from there) where people would jump on a 20 minute train to Soho or Little Italy for a couple of hours and back home again for 9pm.

Doesnt happen here. Same journey from the Irish places can take an hour or more each way. Assuming the bus shows up.

And you'll get pissed on in the process.

6 miles. lol.

And no, I dont want areas completely compromised for a **** extra bus lane. They can do it properly (go underground) or **** off.

Busses are compromised because the roads are shared with cars, there's also no Bus lane cameras so drivers can use them too, not to mention the dozens of empty Taxis' in them.. there's plenty that can be done to improve that for much less cost and much less disruption, but no one will compromise so we're stuck in a transport Mexican stand-off in the city where a Multi-Billion Euro metro system seems to be the only solution?

We need QBCs built asap but these QBCs need to have ANPR cameras in place to stop people driving their cars in the QBCs.
Half the proposed QBCs are now in JR because of our **** planning system that we have in place so we are where we are.
If taxis were banned from bus lanes in the morning that would improve congestion in the CC- this subject hasn’t even been broached by anyone in the transport authority so we won’t see that this side of 2040 I’d imagine if at all.

Some folks will still drive, but a lot more people would use a metro that was fast and reliable and got you close to your destinarion quicker than it takes to drive.

Yeah but the idea is to build a QBC for the entirety of the bus route and where you can’t, hold up the rest of the traffic to allow the bus to have priority.

"Build an underground first" is the same old repetitive and mealy mouthed excuse to try and retain private motorist access at a level way about what is justified for the relative number of people carried. It's just that the proponents never have the courage to outwardly say that retaining preferential access is really what their justification is about.

It's an easy get out of jail card to avoid doing anything in the interim as the same posters all know that a comprehensive underground system will take decades to deliver and cost many tens of billions of Euro, which no 5-year-maximum insular and parochially driven Irish government of any kind will ever commit to (unless it's in the form of some perpetually promised but never delivered glossy brochure).

It's telling that whenever I ask the question why many thousands of bus passengers should continue to be discommodated under this approach for years to come, I never seem to get a satisfactory answer.

I agree that the planning system in Ireland is ridiculous, but if we dont start building the metro, we never will build it.

Deflecting to buses as our principal PT solution, which is never going to solve the problem of transiting commuters around the city vs car travel, especially in the context of a rapidly increasing population, is merely kicking the can further down the road in terms of starting works on the actual solution: The Metro.

With an ever increasing population, which seems to be government policy, then you need more capacity. Dicking around with painting white lines on roads does little to improve things. So you need more road tunnels or more rail tunnels or both.

As people have pointed out, travel is too slow, even you give a bus a bus lane it will not proceed quickly along it but will stop 20 times before you get to your destination. It now seems to be official policy to make travel across the Liffey nearly impossible, for instance the carryon on Pearse St. It is not a legitimate public policy objective to make cross city travel nearly impossible.

And there are 150,000 vehicles using the M50, but what choice do they have? There no buses using the M50! Even with the traffic on the M50 a trip from Mulhuddart to Sandyford takes pretty much twice as long as driving.

Ireland's inability to foster change and look beyond the horizon is suffocating our capital city. A metro has been talked about for decades, as have improved cycleways and other efficient changes. So long as the few dictate the many, nothing will radically change.

100%. The past is the past, no matter how frustrating it is PT-wise. Get the metro system (building) in motion. The city will never look back.

Yes, Metro link was quoted at 7-12 billion, 23 billion was an extreme upper estimate.

One thing is certain, the longer we wait to get started, the more it is going to cost in the long run.

Metrolink is only one line, however.

It's a start, but we need an integrated underground network, ultimatley; not just a single up and down line.

I find it hard to see how MetroLink will open before 2040, given current delays and the judicial reviews that will inevitably roll out along its route, true to form.

By 2040, County Dublin alone will likely have a population of 1.8 to 1.9 million, with the GDA closer to 3 million than 2 million.

Our PT infrastrucure by that point will have all but collapsed and we will still just be tinkering with bus lanes, in order to deliver PT in the city; and still wondering why most people dont want to get out of their cars.