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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,877 ✭✭✭yagan


    It's like reverse rendition, with El Salvador acting as third party vanisher of legit US citizens and residents.

    It's like the RCC, they'd rather bury their mistakes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,742 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Could be hoping it functions as a deterrent, a bit like the British sending asylum seekers to Rwanda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    Surely a rival to the "St Paul on the road to Damascus" thing !!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,877 ✭✭✭yagan


    The problem is the US has been reliant on irregular migration since WWII, so there's been waves of tightening the border and deportation followed by looser regulations when food production needs labour.

    It's an established pattern so migrants will still try in the future when they know the US is struggling with food.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Except Trumps suit was not navy it was blue . It stood out which of course was what he wanted


    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/26/world/europe/trump-pope-francis-funeral-blue-suit.html


    Francis, he stood in St. Peter’s Square among President Emmanuel Macron of France (who was wearing black), Prime Minister Keir Starmer of Britain (in black), President Javier Milei of Argentina (in black) and Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni of Italy (in black).

    Mr. Trump? He was wearing blue.

    And not even dark, midnight blue, but a clear, sapphire-like blue, with matching tie. Amid all the black and Cardinal red, it popped out like a sign.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭pad406


    It says in the article,

    However, an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) agent spoke to a family attorney and "refused to honour the request" and said that the "father could try to pick her up, but that he would also be taken into custody".

    So I'm guessing he didn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,562 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    The prison is El Salvador is the new Guantanamo bay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,877 ✭✭✭yagan


    It's worse in that at least gitmo was us a military lease.

    El Salvador is acting as a subcontractor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    I was watching an episode of Andor from season 1 were a character is sentenced to prison simply because he was close to the scene of a crime and was mistaken for one of the criminals. No trail, just straight to prison. It shows the cruelty and oppression of the Empire. Fast forward a few years after the show was made and very similar things are happening in America now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,503 ✭✭✭circadian


    Agreed, much like Obama's tan suit, amirite?

    Anyway, suit colour aside. What's your opinion on arresting judges, ICE using administrative warrants to do whatever they want, arresting people in courthouses without a warrant or presenting ID, maybe take a stab at sending innocent citizens to a foreign prison to never be seen.

    Let's focus on the real issues.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,742 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    The dogs on the street might know that the US has always relied on migration, but the current administration seems to lurch from issue to issue, trying to please the base with absolutely no regard for the future. Or at least it seems that way. I'm sure the Project 2025 goons are trying to steer Trump in the "right" direction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,877 ✭✭✭yagan


    So if his form stands by the end of tomorrow he will be telling Ukraine it should surrender, Powell will be in the firing line again, some of the tariffs on China that were reduced will be doubled again etc..

    I won't be surprised if he insinuates that the tragedy in Canada happened because Canada has been nasty to the USA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I had that event in mind but deleted it. Think "God works in mysterious ways" sounds better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭Jizique


    If a judge is suspected of breaking the law, they should be arrested. Similar to a politician or a businessman.

    Remember when that Kerry judge was found with child porn on a computer, should get have been arrested? He got off on some technicality but all was well in the end, and the same may happen here.

    Post edited by Jizique on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The government in the country concerned has decided that it will allow the child be returned to the US and presumably the father, leaving the US end resolving up to Trump's ICE people and lawyers. I'm a bit confused now by your mention of ICE refusing to honour the request.

    The mother and daughter deportation, according to ICE in the first place, was done by ICE with them as a pair at her request.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,950 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You remember it?

    Then you should know its not remotely the same situation.

    This is an attack by a fascist administration on the independence of the judiciary resisting their diktats.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭pad406


    I'm a bit confused now by your mention of ICE refusing to honour the request.

    It was a direct quote from the article, apparently the father had been attempting to temporarily transfer custody to a family member who is a US citizen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Kind of confusing now with Rubio telling the news media that if Trump/the US, put's more sanctions on Russia now, it will make the war last two [2] years longer.

    Terrible, using that logic, that all the sanctions put on Russia to date because it invaded Ukraine [in continuation of the war it started in Ukraine in 2014] have ended with continuation, and not cessation of the Russian war efforts in Ukraine.

    So wrong of the world's nations to have caused the continuation of the war.

    BTW, I'm being a tad sarcastic in those last few lines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    OK, that makes sense. The Mother was not in agreement with the father with his request, or his plan to ensure the child could stay in the US while she herself was deported to the other country, as that would leave him with closer access to their daughter.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,210 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    In fairness there is a possible US mediated peace deal between Congo and Rwanda (funding M23) so may be some news on May 2nd. The peace talks are in Qatar.

    The area is full of the minerals the US wants to get it's hands on. No doubt others will be watching closely.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭pad406


    Seems to be a lot of Peace for 'making the US money' type deals now. Thankfully it was more Peace for Peace's sake when the GFA was being done



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Where it come to Crimea, what [apart from possible extension of Russia's toehold on the Black Sea - and bases close to other former USSR countries] does Crimea have value-wise?

    Does Crimea have, percentage-wise, enough of Ukraine's rare earth and critical minerals to make it worthwhile for Russia to insist that it hold unto Crimea as part of any peace-deal Trump insists Ukraine accede to to end the war [as presently pursued by Putin]?

    Not heading down the conspiracy rabbit-hole quite yet, I keep in mind how much of a row there has been between Biden and himself, not mentioning all the Ukrainians in several of that country's administrations and US ambassadors, over the past 10 years now where commercial interest-plans there are concerned. Letting go of the personal grudge match between Biden and Trump, what is in it for Trump at this stage. He has to know peace, not war, there is now an even longer term proposition for all those involved in any ceasefire there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,274 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    If Biden had fallen asleep at a Pope's funeral, there'd be wall to wall media coverage and the usual suspects here would be falling over themselves in their rush to post how unfit he was. Yet the felon does it and it's crickets. The hypocrisy is to be expected at this stage, it's about all they're good at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,068 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    Crimea is or was largely agricultural but the water supply has been fucked since the Russians blew the khakhovka dam. 100's of thousands of acres of agricultural land is slowly turning back into desert like it was pre 20th century.

    The reason the Russians want Crimea is to do with security. The south western flank of Russia is exposed to invasion. A flat plain extends from the Russian border all the way to Romania with few natural obstacles in between. Without Crimea, Russia would be extremely vulnerable to an attack as happened in WW2. Stalin strengthened this weak spot post WW2 when he broke off a part of Romania by creating Moldova. He then planted thousands of Russians there. These Russians split from Moldova in early 90s to created the Mafia state of Transnistria. He did the same in eastern Ukraine and some of these planted Russians were involved in kicking off the war in 2014.

    After Stalin's death the Soviets gave Crimea to Ukraine as compensation for the millions of Ukrainians who starved to death during Stalin's disastrous 1930s agricultural collectivisation programme. However they kept the military bases. That obviously wasn't enough for Putin who feared Ukraine could one day join NATO with the hosts then going on to boot the Russians out of the bases. The rest is history...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭Jizique




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,567 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    The judge you mentin was arrested. Clearly, you don't remember it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    On what Crimea has. Crimea in 2014-22 allowed Russia to turn Ukrainian trade through the Sea of Azov through Mariupol (especially steel - Azovstal was the worlds largest steel plant) on and off for political pressure.

    That was likely a factor in why Russia built the Crimea bridge to Kerch.

    Keeping it would allow them to do the same with Odessa including agriculture. 97% of Ukraine's grain exports use Odessa.

    I'm surprised that the border with Crimea was so weakly defended. Some officials in the South seem to have betrayed orders to blow bridges. Promises of collaboration in Kyiv seem to have failed though, with people taking the Russian money and not helping them. Thats one of the reasons the siege of Kyiv failed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,123 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


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    More culture war bullsh1t.

    Where are the 90 deals in 90 days he promised?

    Why isn't the Ukraine war resolved on day one?

    Why are the tarrifs causing the market to tank?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭bog master


    "A mass lynching of Italian Americans in New Orleans in 1891 prompted U.S. President Benjamin Harrison to make the 400th anniversary of Columbus's arrival a national holiday in 1892, though he intended it to be a one-time celebration. In 1937 U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt proclaimed the day an annual holiday."

    "Congress declared Columbus Day a federal holiday in 1937 and a legal public holiday in 1968. Hawaii, Alaska and South Dakota do not recognize Columbus Day as a holiday. Columbus Day is not celebrated in 22 states. "

    Might be nice to ask the ICE Barbie Noem why South Dakota does not recognize it.

    "By the 500th anniversary of Columbus's exploration, the tide had turned against the explorer. Today, Columbus is regarded as the instigator in the series of events that led to genocide, dispossession and disease for Native Americans and African slavery in America"

    .

    https://www.wuft.org/national-news/2012-10-08/twelve-little-known-facts-about-columbus-day-and-its-namesake



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