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Partner’s family helped his brother with a house, but not us—I'm struggling to reconcile this

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 8,905 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx


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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Tbf, there is a big issue in Ireland with how people view others, and I see a lot of jealousy and begrudgey, not you in particular OP, just a general thing.

    Everyone's money is theirs to do with as they see fit. You don't know what is going on in your in laws minds. Maybe they are giving him this house now, and it's basically his inheritance because he needs it now, and their home has been left to your partner in a Will.

    They don't need to explain anything to anyone. If you live your life looking at what others have and feeling hard done by, you will always feel bad. Try to stop focusing on others and just concentrate on yourselves.

    Your partner wants to give up work to focus on art, focus on that, how that will look for ye and how ye could do that. Stop worrying and thinking about others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,837 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    That you felt the need to invent a scenario about inheritance suggests you don't think it's equitable or transparent either. House might go in fair deal. Might be nothing left.

    Not that parents have to fair or tell anyone their business. But by not doing so it runs by a very high risk of irretrievably damaging their relationship with their children and the relationship between siblings after they are gone. It's very common.

    But you have to live your own life.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I was pointing out that they have no idea how the parents think, that's all. Sure they could sell up everything and travel on a round the world cruise if they want!

    I just think that it only hurts yourself to watch others too much and compare other people's lives to our own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Baybay


    To watch others isn’t a great thing to do, no but it’s hard not to see what’s happening when it’s family.

    Yes, moving on is best, not dwelling on it is good too but acknowledging how you feel is an important first step.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,237 ✭✭✭Deeec


    True but at the moment it just looks like they favour one child over the other and that's not good. Without explanation from the parents the relationship will naturally detiorate. Most families would discuss issues like this to avoid friction.

    I think the majority of people would be annoyed if they were in this situation despite the advice they are giving here!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    yes for sure it is the parent's right to do what they want with their money. But it is only fair and decent if they explain their plan to their only other child, at least give him a reason why he is getting nothing now. There is no surer way of making a child feel different, alienated, rejected than by favouring their sibling. It is strange that no explanation was given.

    I have 2 daughters, both adults, I have one modest house. My older girl is married with a nice renovated farmhouse in the countryside, my youngest lives in a camper van . I was making my Will recently and was thinking of leaving my entire house to the youngest as right now she has less. Thankfully my Solicitor pointed out that things often change, bereavement, divorce, job loss (hopefully not) but in 10 years my older girl's circumstances could have changed and the younger one could have met a millionaire or won the lottery. So I made my will on a 50/50 basis.

    Legal advice is good advice and makes you consider the "what ifs" in life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭ligind


    I just wonder if the parents are worried about what would happen if they gave money to the other son and later that couple separated.

    They may also intend leaving their own house to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,837 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


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    Id argue we know exactly how the parents think. They've voted with their wallet and not in any small way either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,617 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    I don't think anyone is saying that the OP doesn't have a right to be majorly annoyed and upset.

    I also don't think anyone is saying they wouldn't be furious if it happened to them.

    However what needs to be acknowledged is ranting and raving is not going to change the situation. Some parents are just sh*tty parents. Some parents completely favour one child over the other. These type of people are never going to give you an explanation of why. As was proven in this case when the parents refused to enter into a meaningful conversation.

    The OP is not going to go to the parents saying they started a thread on boards and this is the outcome and everyone thinks they are owed an explanation,so therefore give us an explanation and the parents contritely agree.

    The OP has no control over the parents. They have control over how they react though. So for their own mental health they need to make peace with it. Yes it is absolutely sh*tty and unfair, yes they are justified to be annoyed and hurt.

    For me I'm a firm believer in giving benefit of the doubt, if something can be taken two ways I will try to take it the nice way, unless there's a pattern. However, I'm also a firm believer in if someone tells you who they are believe them. The parents have shown themselves to be sh*tty people....up to the OP to navigate future relationship with them. Personally I just go low contact, no need to be rude, just don't be available. Make peace with the fact that the parents will not help them financially and likely emotionally in the future. It makes life easier when you know who you can and cannot rely on.

    However, the OP also needs to respect that the fiance will want to continue a relationship with their parents.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,237 ✭✭✭Deeec


    I don't think in these circumstances the fiance can have a relationship with their parents after this. The best thing to move on from this mentally is to cut ties with them. Personally I would accept the situation if the parents gave a good explanation of why but they won't give any explanation.

    Its like Santa Clause has left presents for one child and not the other.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    A bit harsh i think. I would never fall out with my mother over her money!

    The OP hasn't really said how the fiancé feels has she? I understand she is very put out but does he feel as strongly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 cluelessoz


    Its possibly a blessing in disguise they didn't help buy ye a house op. For all you know, there could be heavy T&C's for the brother.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,237 ✭✭✭Deeec


    As I said if they gave a good explanation it would be ok imo.

    Its a huge disrespect not to discuss the reasons with the op and that's why if it was me I would cut ties

    Would you ok in this circumstances your mother gave you no explanation.

    The reasoning why is the issue here not the money



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,837 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    This isn't about money. It's about being treated differently. Very differently.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Honestly like I said I would never fall out with my mother over what she does with her money. At different times of life she has treated all of us differently.

    Perhaps the fiance feels the same?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,293 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Treating children differently in a will can leave a lot of resentment



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,233 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    It seems the parents have done a bad job with both their sons. You've been lumbered with one, while they've kept the other. Neither son seems particularly interested in working. Both look to someone else to financially support them while they fart around.

    You have a large mortgage in an area you're not happy in. And your partner is working in a low paid job that he wants to give up. Your problem is your partner. You both made the decision to move far away. You both made the decision to buy that house. There are very few adults who are being financially propped up by their parents. So you are no different to the vast majority of people. You need to stop looking at the brother and blaming him and realise you are in exactly the same situation as most other people your age. The early years of a mortgage are a struggle for everyone. You did the maths and you bought the house. I'm 25 years living in our house and we were abroad for our honeymoon. That's it. I haven't had a foreign holiday since then. Everyone picks their own priorities.

    Your partner is your problem. You live in a 4 bedroom house. Why the need for a 4 bedroom house? He doesn't want to work, and he doesn't want to rent out a room. He's as bad as his brother for leeching off someone else.

    I think in your shoes I'd sell the house. Move closer to Dublin, to a smaller property. If in time you have a family you can move to a bigger house. But for now it seems totally unnecessary to be living in that house, spending that amount of money and not being able to do anything else - you can't even plan to have the family that you obviously wanted to fill the 4 bedrooms.

    Take his family out of the equation for the moment. You are not entitled to any help from anyone. If you get it, it's a bonus. You are independent adults and responsible for your own financial situation. You're struggling at the moment in an unnecessarily big house. Unless you are willing to rent a room (€14k a year tax free, I believe) then right now you don't need that house.

    Start thinking about how you (both) can help your circumstances. Live for what you have and need now, rather than living for some imagined future situation, that may or may not happen after all those years struggling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,837 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    That people have worked their butt off to get a mortgage and maintain it though difficult times does not suggest they didn't want to work or justify such a negative dismissal of that effort. Neither is wanting to switch jobs or careers.

    It's in no way the equivalent of someone who isn't working or hasn't had a job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,837 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Then the mother can expect to be treated differently in return.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,237 ✭✭✭Deeec


    I think your post is unfair and off topic. Most couples who have just bought a house are struggling financially - the op is no different to any other couple nowadays.

    Buying a 4 bedroomed house was the right move and clever of the op. I'm a believer in buying for the future not the present. They have bought a future proof home if they have children down the line - no need to move. Look at all the people now stuck in apartments with kids because they can't afford to move who bought the apartment because they were single.

    OP your doing brilliant - keep going and financially things will get easier. Partner perhaps needs to drop the art dream though.

    Its a huge achievement buying your own home. Well done!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭JIdontknow


    I hope this doesn’t sound harsh but the reality is you and your partner bought this 4 bedroom house and the funds are tight. If you didn’t know of his parents helping his brother, your situation would be the exact same, so from that perspective nothing has changed with regards to your own situation. Yeah it’s discouraging his brother gets a house but that doesn’t change your situation, and I think that’s what you need to focus on. I can fully understand why you might feel like you do, a lot would feel the same way and you can ask the questions or try get answers or clarity but it has no impact on your house and financial situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,837 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Exactly this.

    If I was starting over I'd do the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,837 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I don't think it's about their situation.

    It's about being treated different, double standards by the parents. Yes the parents can do what they want, but it's going to have a repercussions. No likes to see their partner treated less favourably by their in laws. That will fester.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Parents always treat their children differently. It's based on the way they know their children. No one treats their children exactly the same in all respects.

    It's entirely about the money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,837 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    This is not about giving one child a football and another one whistle. Or bringing one child to a concert and another one to football match.

    Imagine you gave one child nothing for birthday and the other 20 gifts. Is that about the money for the child? Then not explaining why, but in fact throwing it in their face.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,837 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Imagine you did this to two employees...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭JIdontknow


    I understand that but the OP also stated how they’re struggling and foraging for some food etc too, which they would still be, irrelevant of the brother getting a free house… My personal opinion is I actually agree I think it’s very poor form if they did buy one son a house and will cause a big split and animosity (unless there’s reasons we don’t know of), but that’s out of their control. If they approach the parents and confront them, they’re hardly going to turn around and say ok here you go here’s 400k pay off your house too. There’s no legal recourse for them to say you bought him a house you need to buy us a house, and getting answers won’t solve the issue at hand but I do agree if I was in that situation I’d like to know what’s going on. So the reality of the situation is they need to live with this, and figure out a way that it doesn’t fester away at them (easier said than done by the sounds of things) and affect their wellbeing and instead work on the life they have, home they have etc.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,692 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    I think you'd want some inner resilience and strength to not be a bit peeved by the situation OP. Buying a house is some dig out. It's easy to say the parents can give what they want to who they want, but if you were in the situation you would raise an eyebrow. I do wonder if the brother was playing the poor mouth, the parents bought the house and are letting him live there. So it's not really his? Either way they seem to have wanted to see their sons on equal footing and this was the only way to do it.

    However you can't let it get in on you and make you bitter. Stay in your lane and keep going on the road you're on. You never know what lies ahead career wise for either of you and how your circumstances will improve. You're doing the right thing in being independent and supporting each other.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 vxdvxvdxvdxvx


    Hello. I'm the fiancee. We pay the mortgage equally. We're paying it an an aggressive rate to get the bank off our backs sooner rather than later. I had no idea my parents could afford what they gifted to my brother and was blindsided by it. I don't appreciate some of the comments in this thread and wonder if it's sad parties engaging in schadenfreude. All the best.



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