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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,059 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Could the media be more obtuse in their reporting and less interested in the details of what goes on in the mosque in Clonskeagh?
    The, what, where, how and when of reporting has gone the way of all of journalism's standards, utterly subverted by the fear that the truth is incompatible with the narrative shibboleth of their secular religion of multikulturalism, 'diversity is our strength'.
    The just don't want to report on the fact that multiculturalism is importing the internecine medieval conflicts of the middle east into our society. Worse still, they don't want you know what goes on behind the closed doors of the mosque and school up there, they wouldn't want to spook the Irish Times readers. These are the same kind of people that a generation ago thought it was best not to report the uncomfortable truths about what was going on in the Catholic schools of the country. Their mindset is no different, you are a pleb and are entitled to know only that which suits the powerful.
    I'm dying to hear how 'diversity is our strength' from the usual suspects when a Sunni\Shia conflict breaks out in the streets and suburbs of Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,100 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I'd say a positive would be to hope the protesters don't try to set fire to any luases or buses this time.

    Well thats a classic case of misinformation, no nationalist march has caused the luas or buses to be burnt. Typical of those on the pro immigration left who taint anyone who raises voices about government policy.

    You keep up that good fight, cheering on the government, globalists and those that are profiting from bad immigration policy. The only thing more useless than the government, is the majority of the opposition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭mrslancaster



    Why is the information about birth-country such a big secret? The housing agency have no problem classifying the Traveller community as a separate category in their reports. That cohort are less than 1000 of the total number, and the HA doesn’t shy away from providing their information. HA also give data for UK citizens (683) but no information on birth-country for the 16,752 non-citizens. Very odd.

    Of course, concealment and evasiveness are particularly well honed skills for many public representatives when asked about anything connected to immigration. Kildare councillor Tom McDonnell (who I’d never heard of before), was told by the Cathaoirleach Peggy O’Dwyer that he was “inappropriate” and “bringing in a tone” when he asked a question about social housing allocation. Afaik, it’s a councillors job to know what’s happening in their area so it’s crazy that an elected councillor can’t get transparent data about social housing. And then to be reprimanded for asking the question... Disgraceful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    What misinformation did I post?

    You seem to be arguing against points I didn't make.

    I merely espoused my hope that anti-immigrant protesters wont yet again resort to violence and intimidation as they have in the past.

    Surely every right thinking Irish person should hope this protest march doesn't result in needless violence and destruction of property.

    Or maybe some posters want to watch Ireland burn, so they can feel vindicated in their belief system.

    Plenty of violence by anti-immigration protests in the below link.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_anti-immigration_protests#

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,100 ✭✭✭prunudo


    You implied the burning of Luas and buses was associated with previous marches, saying 'this time' implies it happened a previous time. It was completely seperate incident. Every march that I've been to has been peaceful and attended by equally peaceful people, stop trying to conflate the Dublin riots with this march on Saturday or previous ones.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    This type of attitude rubbishing the concerns of ordinary people will only cause the protests to grow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Marcos


    Well if you were a conspiracy theorist you might imply that they had financial reasons for not digging down deeper into events like these. Such as maybe Comisiún na Mean allocating €5.7 million to news outlets ostensibly “to support both the media sector and the creation of high-quality accessible public journalism across Ireland”. 

    But I couldn't possibly comment.

    Anyway, it's probably better in another thread in order to stop going down rabbit holes. But it's interesting to note in the context of the immigration debate.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Sunni/Shia sectarian conflicts are just part and parcel of living in a modern Country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    When did you become the spokesperson for "ordinary people"?

    None of the ordinary people I know have any intention of attending.

    I don't think you have any right to speak on behalf of ordinary people anymore than I do, and normally I wouldn't.

    And even if you did, what you are claiming is that I a poster on on a site visited by small amount people am going to cause the protests to grow. I mean thanks for the confidence boost but I don't think so.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,323 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Ireland is changing rapidly due to immigration. Here are the pps numbers for the first 2 months



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,100 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I know the economy is supposedly doing well, but do we really need this many new foreign tech workers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Tech workers.... Are you serious?

    There's about to be 1000 Intel staff put on the lump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,323 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The tech sector has been shrinking. The take away business is booming however.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,100 ✭✭✭prunudo


    No, I wasn't being serious, that's what we're told all these new workers are. They're coming here to work in sectors where the is a shortfall in workers, like coffee shops and McDonald's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭tom23


    Im ordinary person. So I guess there’s plenty of folk on here like me. Im happy for him to be my spokesperson. Dont worry though I won’t be burning buses or Luas trams.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Absolute nonsense. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

    Intel are currently hiring to replace the people who took voluntary redundancy and early retirement. A voluntary program which was over subscribed.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Absolute and total nonsense. The tech sector isn’t shrinking.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭tom23


    That’s a lot PPS numbers to India.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I’m calling BS on that. No non EU citizen is getting visa sponsorship to work in McDonald’s or a coffee shop.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    You can’t move here without already having a job secured or as a student.

    I’d guess the majority of the Pakistanis are doctors, medical students or nurses. Most Indians are engineers or their families.

    then some will work in restaurants. But there is absolutely nothing sinister about well educated south Asian people moving to Ireland, which is what the majority are.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,267 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Relates to one month only. Let's compare the entirety of 2025 to 2024. Would you bet on this being a less lucrative year than 2024, or the upward increase in revenue increasing? €6.2 billion eared last year, up 13% and a projected increase of 5%-7% for this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,100 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Given anecdotes are banned i guess we'll have to move on and agree to disagree on that so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,267 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Pakistan, Lebanon, Kenya, Poland and Turkey are examples of less wealthy countries with far greater numbers of refugees and asylum seekers moving there. That's of course due to their proximity to war/conflict zones.

    My gripe was with the lack of planning by the current and prior governments. It's a pretty reasonable expectation for a nation to have a plan in place in the event of a war occurring in Europe and the fallout from that. Accommodation for refugees being the first order, rather than panic procedures.

    Mod Edit: Warned for posting anecdotes

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I don’t agree to disagree. You made a point, you should either provide evidence to support your point or withdraw it.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭somuj




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,672 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    The Tipperary people know this plight all to well i'm afraid

    Following the signing of a contract to accommodate 98 IPAS residents in the Merriman Hotel, the village’s only hotel and a critical local resource, the Kinvara Community Council is calling on the government to immediately reconsider.

    At a recent public meeting attended by residents, business owners, local councillors, and East Galway Oireachtas members, the community expressed a united sense of deep frustration and concern over the government’s decision-making, which they say has been made without consultation, in breach of its own policies, and with no regard for the broader economic and social impact on the village.

    Yet another hotel in a village gone to IPAS

    Really despicable by our Government but it's not surprising, this Government doesn't care about Rural Ireland, they just want to house economic migrates.

    The worse thing a community has done is to house Ukrainians as this government takes advantage of peoples hospitality to get IPAS in. It's basically like a foot in the door….

    They'll come a time in the future, scholars looking back on this scam to see how did a government betrayed the Irish people so much.

    Our country desperately needs a new party to oppose FFFG terror



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,267 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    What majority? The 'majority' that couldn't even manage a single seat in the November election? Not even 1 out of 174 seats. I doubt very much that the EU will be listening to any party (or its supporters) that couldn't even claim 0.57% of the parliament.

    The true majority, they don't want hatred or victimisation of people fleeing war. The true majority, they're compassionate and want to help. Please join them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    In relation to non-EU visas, I posted this chart a while back.

    image.png

    You can see that in recent years non-EU net inward migration has shot up (it is almost at the level of EU migration at its height) while EU net inward migration has only gone up a small amount.

    There's actually net outward migration of Irish people, though not at the levels during the financial crisis. I suspect the high cost of housing is playing a part here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,267 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Hasn't happened so far and won't in the future. The people of this land simply don't bear hatred towards others and are not sold on those who offer it to them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,267 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Not a single source for this online. Please give one or admit it's false.



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