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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭dabbler2004


    Laugh away.

    I'll agree with you on GDPR issues however a council should be able to stand over the process it uses to allocate social housing and explain to those on waiting lists how others have jumped the queue ( if that is what has happened).

    That's transparency



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,630 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    we’ve switched from ethnic Irish to indigenous Irish now I see.

    This is an east stat, zero indigenous Irish people got social housing this year. They were replaced by the Bronze Age migration.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,733 ✭✭✭ericzeking


    People came here in the Bronze Age, so now we must house the world is a new one for the Immigration Bingo Card!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭tom23


    I would harbour a guess that someday these figures will be make there way into the public domain. Open borders people won’t give a **** anyway.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,630 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I never said we should house the world. Ever.

    I just hate stupidity.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭dabbler2004


    Are you calling some posters stupid or just their way of thinking?

    Or perhaps you meant government handing out IPAS contracts worth hundreds of millions but cutting back on essential services because "we" can't afford them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    It is very hard to discuss anything with the constant strawman arguments.

    Like the latest you are not having to defend yourself against.

    It's absurd.

    No one has argued for open borders as far as I am aware.

    No one has claimed all immigrants are engineers or doctors.

    The only times I see the Irish were immigrants trope is from anti immigrant posters.

    There is a whole lot of disingenuous posting going on from one side on the discussion in this thread.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,630 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I have repeatedly said the Irish government have grossly mismanaged the migrant issue. Among other things. Repeatedly.

    I want people to aim their fury at the government and not the people claiming asylum.

    If I called posters stupid, I’d be banned. But using terms like “ethnic Irish” or “indigenous Irish” is absolutely moronic.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,630 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    all I’ve ever said is that I want the government to do a better job of assessing asylum claims and deportations.

    That makes me an open boarders, globalist, Marxist, etc….


    it’s all very hard to fathom.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭briangriffin


    From what ive said in that post you have taken.

    1. I'm pearl clutching because Irish people have children born abroad. Of the 25% born abroad what percentage is that?
    2. Implied I'm far right and racist for suggesting that huge demographic change is a concern. A concern shared by governments in European countries who have experienced mass migration and changed their approach because of the issues, its also attested to by the rise of parties with a much stricter stance on immigration.
    3. Stated that all religion has done is divide people not unite them.

    In my opinion religion as a shared practice can allow communities to develop deeper links. It provides a place for a community to meet up once a week it allows family's celebrate together important milestones in their children's growth. It provides a structured approach to a moral education through bible stories. It provides comfort to the elderly and ill should they request it. I can also acknowledge the abhorrent damge and cover ups done by the catholic church sex abuse scandals. I guess we will see as religion falls away how relevant it was/is to our society.

    I did not say nor am I implying that non religious people are not really Irish I absolutely reject that assertion. That would be akin to me saying those who dont play gaa are not Irish or those who don't play traditional music are not Irish. That doesn't make them any less part of our culture unless you think Ireland doesn't have a distinct culture and has a disntinct distinct nation whose peoples have distinct set of values.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭Flying Dominos


    My thoughts are that it's ok to be annoyed at both the government and those aylum seekers taking advantage of the system. If someone lies about the danger they're in, that they're gay, or where they're from why should we not take issue with that? Is it not fraud



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,320 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Who's we? I'm using the term used by the publicly elected councillor.

    Personally I'd use the term native and that's not up for debate so this conversation won't go down that rabbit hole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,210 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I'm going to aim my anger at both the government and the asylum seekers.

    Looking forward to attending the upcoming protest.

    Hopefully there will be a large turn out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,260 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    I really hope there’s a strong turnout. I don’t blame people for being angry—some communities have changed beyond recognition, and all the while, the public is told to “be tolerant” by the government acts like nothing is wrong. And RTE Nationwide, broadcasting puff pieces about how well theyve integrated. That kind of disconnect only fuels frustration..…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,100 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Hopefully there's a good turnout, seems to be good traction on this one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Yes, or the terms I’ve seen used in various official publications, national and non-national. In any event, the data about social housing for both 2023 & 2024 has information that the councillor or posters may find interesting. The housing agency doesn’t seem to have any worries about a breach of GDPR by publishing the data either.

    https://www.housingagency.ie/sites/default/files/2024-03/Summary%20of%20Social%20Housing%20Assessments%202023%20-%20FINAL.pdf

    https://www.housingagency.ie/sites/default/files/2025-04/Summary%20of%20Social%20Housing%20Assessments%202024.pdf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,210 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I hear mini me Murphy is organising a counter protest.

    Yeah the numbers have been small on previous protests I've been at but as you said the feedback seems to be positive on this one.

    We will see on Saturday I suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,100 ✭✭✭prunudo


    He's getting a lot of flack, the march is essentially a pro Ireland, anti government march, yet Murphy, a member of the opposition, is pushing for a counter protest, makes no sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,260 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    Counter protest will get about 5, maybe 10 people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,260 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    What’s frustrating is that counter-protests often get more media attention and sympathy, while the original protest made up of ordinary concerned citizens are labeled as “far-right” or dangerous.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,320 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Was it not cancelled? You'll still get a few loonies who'll turn up looking for trouble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,260 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    Think it's still going ahead, they'll have huge Palatine flags to make it look like it well attended.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭mrslancaster



    The new mood from the authorities in Berlin, Germany shows they are none too happy with people protesting about Palestine. Seems that 4 protesters had to leave voluntarily by 21/04 or be deported - 1 each from US and Poland plus 2 from Ireland. Residence permits withdrawn despite free movement for EU citizens. Will that ruling have any effect on protests here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Hows the mood in Clonskeagh?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    Lets hope the EU get's the message Saturday the majority of Irish people have had enough.

    According to Michael Martin they are economic migrants coming in .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭Damien360


    I have actually read both those links. Thanks for that. It doesn’t have any GDPR issues as quite simply nobody is identified. But, it makes a case for Irish citizen vs non-EEA citizens and who gets social housing .

    My issue with that is it’s very easy to become an Irish citizen so it muddies the waters somewhat. I have said here before, how many reports have you read in the paper of a crime by a Dublin man but given his name, and stated length of time is Ireland, he is neither a Dubliner or Irish, but may very well be a citizen. That’s who gets included in the statistics for Irish citizens.

    Country of origin/birth would be a better indicator of the split and is the question the Kildare county councillor should be asking. Your country of origin is not a GDPR issue either but it’s a very fine excuse for many government bodies to hide behind when questioned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Probably best to keep expectations low, after the failure of the revolution to revolt at the ballot box you would think poster may tame their expectations but alas

    I'd say a positive would be to hope the protesters don't try to set fire to any luases or buses this time.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Marcos


    I don't think it's all that good right now. I saw something about the mosque being closed until further notice after an unprecedented and deeply troubling incident. According to MSN it appears Gardai were called to the scene to break up a disagreement. Well it makes a change from being called out to IPAS centres anyway.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,547 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Grifter has to grift. He did nothing last term absolutely stealing a living at tax payers expense and will do nothing this term but has to convince the smucks who vote for him to continue doing so.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



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