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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭Field east


    that’s a ‘great deal’!!!!! - Russia giving up the Donbas , etc, etc, etc, etc. Knowing what Russia is capable of - and the US when it guaranteed the security of Ukr if it gave up its nuclear weapons- the ONLY QUESTION is how long will Russia give up the Donbas , etc, etc for BEFORE it starts to attack again??????



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    (04/22/2025): The AFU conducted a successful strike (long-range UAV) today on the 51st GRAU (Main Missile and Artillery Directorate) located 8-km SW of #Kirzhach, Vladimir Oblast, Russia.Location: 56.100029, 38.751010

    That seems to rule out smoking. It was protected by the most concentrated air defences in Orcistan, supposedly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,073 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    https://www.axios.com/2025/04/22/trump-russia-ukraine-peace-plan-crimea-donbas

    What Russia gets under Trump's proposal

    1. "De jure" U.S. recognition of Russian control in Crimea.
    2. "De-facto recognition" of the Russia's occupation of nearly all of Luhansk oblast and the occupied portions of Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.
    3. A promise that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO. The text notes that Ukraine could become part of the European Union.
    4. The lifting of sanctions imposed since 2014.
    5. Enhanced economic cooperation with the U.S., particularly in the energy and industrial sectors.

    What Ukraine gets under Trump's proposal

    1. "A robust security guarantee" involving an ad hoc group of European countries and potentially also like-minded non-European countries. The document is vague in terms of how this peacekeeping operation would function and does not mention any U.S. participation.
    2. The return of the small part of Kharkiv oblast Russia has occupied.
    3. Unimpeded passage of the Dnieper River, which runs along the front line in parts of southern Ukraine.
    4. Compensation and assistance for rebuilding, though the document does not say where the funding will come from.

    Other elements of the plan

    • The Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant — the largest such facility in Europe — will be considered as Ukrainian territory but operated by the U.S., with electricity supplied to both Ukraine and Russia.
    • The document references the U.S.-Ukraine minerals deal, which Trump has said will be signed on Thursday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,073 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    A monumental waste of time from the Trump administration. Neither side have any interest in accepting any such compromise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,176 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    A "robust" security guarantee … details to be confirmed. Yeah, sounds very robust alright. So typically Trump - all concept and no plan.

    Even if you knew nothing about the (US) people involved, you'd know this was a proposal cobbled together by a bunch of used carsalesmen and estate agents, with no experience of serious negotiations.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The US torpedoed the peace talks In London by walking out. Acting like a third world country. What Trump has done to the US will never be undone. The US influence over world affairs was largely based on relationships and formal arrangements based largely on trust and a belief that the US could largely be counted on to honour it's commitments. Poof - what took decades to build, all gone in a couple months.

    I'm not surprised the price of gold has skyrocketed, it's proven once again to one of the few things that can be trusted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,409 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,715 ✭✭✭yagan


    The Art of the Squeal!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    All available evidence supports the Krasnov theory. The only thing I am aware of that Trump has done that wasn't in Putin's interest was renewing the ban on Orc ships access to US ports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭poop emoji


    In parallel thread you can see how his “negotiations” with China are going

    Both Ukraine and Tarrif “negotiations” ended up a train wreck for the Trump admin with nothing positive for US or anyone else accomplished



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Any update on the US “we will walk away soon” threat ?

    It might be best that they do walk and let Europe Russia and Ukraine come to some sort of agreement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    The beautiful thing about it is, Zelensky is a democratically elected head of state. He's no Trump. He's no Putin. He's as far removed from either of those two megalomaniacs, whose sole interest is self-enrichment. He's a Jewish former tv entertainer ffs. He's hardly the cut throat mercenary with decades of military experience and a loyal army behind him. He doesn't have to swallow anything… he's been admirably leading Ukraine for the past few years with a largely supportive population and military behind him. He knows that its not for him to swallow any deal… he can justifiably say, "right, if that's the best deal that will be offered to me, and I don't believe it's fair, then I've brought things as far as I can for my country, I'm resigning and I'll let the people of Ukraine make the decision".

    Trump and Putin have consistently tried to portray this as somehow being Zelensky's war, that he's the war monger. It's gas lighting on epic proportions. Zelensky, the war time leader with no political experience worth speaking of, has done a better job of protecting democracy, standing up to autocracy and maintaining the values of decency and integrity that the West likes to think it has a monopoly on, than any political candidate currently making themselves seen in the US, UK and EU.

    The last tragic few years will without doubt be seen as a truly shameful period in the history of Western democracies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The Japanese Institute iQPS (Q-shu Pioneers of Space) at Kyushu University will provide the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (GUR) with satellite images obtained by scanning technique with synthetic aperture radars (SAR).

    An agreement to this effect was signed last week, although talks between the Japanese and Ukrainian authorities began at the end of February. Dialogue on the issue intensified after the United States suspended its satellite intelligence support for Ukraine on March 6, although Washington later reversed that decision.

    iQPS has five SAR observation satellites in orbit - and plans to launch two more by the end of 2026 - but the start of providing data to Ukraine will take about three more months, during which time the installation and adaptation of the iQPS reception applications on the GUR platform will take place.

    At the same time, Japan reconfirmed its commitment to provide Ukraine with $1 billion to help compensate for the loss of US financial support.

    The intelligence service of the Ukrainian Army is working on several fronts to become independent of the American services, trying to be prepared for situations in which Washington will withdraw its aid again.

    With iQPS at its disposal, Kyiv can rest easier about satellite images obtained through the use of high-resolution radars. This capability comes in addition to similar information provided by Finland's Iceye and, to a lesser extent, Germany's SAR-Lupe and SARah or Italy's Cosmo-SkyMed and Cosmo-SkyMed 2.

    It is estimated that, when combined, these international capabilities can provide more information (2D and 3D radar images) than what the US National Reconnaissance Office previously provided using its own means and through purchases from commercial operators Capella Space and Umbra.

    However, as for images obtained from satellites that use optical sensors or cameras to capture high-resolution images of the Earth's surface in the visible or infrared spectrum, Ukraine has yet to work on independence from American services.

    Despite access to Airbus Group's Pléiades Neo satellites and extensive rights to download images obtained with French satellites in the CSO range, Ukraine obtains well below what it received from the US, either directly or through access to commercial images from Maxar and BlackSky acquired through contracts of the National Geospatial Information Agency.

    There is currently no European operator capable of providing optical satellite imagery at the level of the US (and some private companies), both in terms of data available throughout the day and access to live streaming tools, ideal for monitoring the dynamics of enemy forces. Even after officially reopening data flows in early March, Washington continued to limit Ukraine's access to images deep inside Russian territory.

    Excellent detailed article. I should have just linked to it, but it's in Romanian.

    It should be noted that reconnaissance drones can generally supply superior imagery to satellites, and Ukraine have been using a lot of these, the V-Bat in particular seeming to be highly capable. I had wondered why Shield AI, maker of the V-Bat drone was seemingly being far more helpful to Ukraine than most US companies. Turns out the company was founded, and is run by, a Brit with former military experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,409 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,832 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


     He doesn't have to swallow anything… he's been admirably leading Ukraine for the past few years with a largely supportive population and military behind him. He knows that its not for him to swallow any deal… 

    Okay he doesn't in principle but what if the alternative is America pulling all support for Ukraine and the entire country being overrun by the orcs before the end of 2025? Okay he could do a Pontius Pilate and pass this Hobson's Choice on to another president but how would that improve the situation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    It would simply be a case of democracy in action?? I mean, Trump, Putin and the MAGA crowd all seem to think Zelensky's some kind of dictator and that he should resign, so I don't see any issue with him taking things as far as he can and then saying, ok, quick snap election - the people can vote for the new guy who wants to reject the terms or they can vote for the new guy who sees signing up as the only option.

    What people tend to forget in all of this, is the human element. We're so used to politicians making everything about themselves, their party, their survival etc. that we forget that this is an existential fight that Ukraine are in. Surely the decision as to whether to abandon their brothers and sisters in the Donbas to Russian oppression should be one for the people to make?

    I'm just spit balling possibilities here, but the bottom line is that this is not Zelensky's war. No matter how much Trump and Putin want to paint it as such.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭seenitall


    Sikorski again, with some lighthearted Orc-teasing.

    https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1915027584414269464



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,443 ✭✭✭zv2


    All blame for Zelenskyy none for Putin. Sigh…

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    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭poop emoji


    The Japanese are one of the largest donors to Ukraine since 2014 of non lethal aid (due to their constitutional restrictions) spending billions

    Something we in Ireland should try to match



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    The thing about gaslighting in politics - never mind publishing your ignorance in writing for posterity - is that while it may produce the immediate results you want (see further: Trump election success 2024) it always gets revealed by Father Time for what it truly is. Trump's family better make themselves comfortable with forever being associated with the most incompetent and morally compromised President in the nation's history.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Will Putin last another 3 years? Ukraine will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,409 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,329 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Ironically, I think he's telling the truth (as he sees it). He's very much in the Putin-Russia camp and views Zelensky as a troublemaker who somehow caused the 2022 invasion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,735 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Do you seriously believe putin's terrorist would overrun all of Ukraine before the end of 2025 without the current half hearted support from the USA?

    Over 40% of weapons being used by Ukraine to defend themselves are produced in Ukraine and there are many other countries besides the USA who are actively providing them with support in the face of assaults by putin's terrorists. putin has lost huge amounts of military equipment and personnel and I've heard very little mention of any advances made by his forces recently. Without support from some other fascist dictatorships putin would be out of the fight with Ukraine already as they seem to have burnt through the majority of their military force.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,911 ✭✭✭eire4


    You must be in a great mood today as I see you feeling very generous in your evaluation there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,443 ✭✭✭zv2


    Yes, Michael Clarke is already calling him out on Sky News, saying it is as if Putin is appearing to him in his dreams, telling him what to say.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭amandstu


    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c78jx68d922o

    "Vance said a deal between Russia and Ukraine would likely require both countries "to have to give up some of the territory they currently own"

    I think the s*tstain meant to say the territory that Russia "occupies"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭Deub


    That would have never started if I were President!

    That sentence and adding Hussein in Obama’s name makes him a clown for me. He thinks he is the best at everything but he is all talk. He accomplished nothing so far despite being on all fronts (Ukraine, tariffs, etc). I am really tired to see him and his friends on TV all the time talking sh!t about everything…. And it is only 4 months in. It will be a long 4 years..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    This is what happens when you literally have a pro Russian negotiating team trying to agree a deal with Putin.

    Putin has given the Trump team a wish list and they are presenting it now as the compromise peace plan.

    Now let's not be naive here, any ceasefire agreement was never going to achieve Russia removing all its troops from occupied territories.

    But Trump saying he will recognise Crimea as Russian and agreeing to lift all sanctions without any idea of any security guarantee whatsoever was never going to be accepted by Ukraine. Trump showing time and time again who's side he is on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    It's a farce (the US "peace negotiations"). Trump and the US's top officials repeat Russian lies about the war every day. Ukraine and Europeans get treated like **** and abuse is flung at them. At best the toadies Trump doesn't like much ("little Marco" - seems like he is a shell of a man at this point) get sent to lecture them about what Trump has "decided".

    Trump's favourite boys are wheeled out for Russia and of course they are full of praise for V. Putin.

    It is going to leave a deep stain on the USs reputation but I get impression reading their media etc. they are so deep in their own navel, worrying about what is happening at home, they think it is not important (if they consider it at all).

    If or when they want something sizeable off any "allies" in a few years under a better and more sensible President than Trump and find they are being told to just shove it (diplomatically), I am sure what is going on right now will be well memory holed and the truculent allies will get the blame again!



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