Clampdown on TV 'Dodgy Boxes'

You think Rupert Murdoc owns Sky

He has not for years, that's illinformed.

Anyone remember when RTE had 3 pm kick offs?

Or when they had their version of MOTD to hilariously gazump the BBC they had it had 7 or 8 o'clock.

Oh Billo.

Sly have a tiered system which means you must have a basic pack to then go for sport - which is the core of the issue, pure greed. If I or any fan just want FTA channels and sport, then they should be able to do so.

Now TV fixes that issue.

You buy the sports package and just the sports package.

No contract.

Now TV? You're living in the past pal that was modern 8-10 years ago.

Did you buy a load of those dongles and are trying to flog them, or are you on commission or something? Nobody is buying that sort of thing any more. Nobody.

My point is that there are a lot of people on here who just don't seem to understand the basics of TV rights and in particular EPL rights and rant and rave about it.

People rant at Sky and other broadcasters about not showing 3pm games when it has nothing to do with them.

They rant about broadcasters not allowing them to watch all games when again it has nothing to do with the broadcasters.

They wonder why they don't get the choice of just buying a subscription for their team.

They wonder we why their cousin in Vancouver can get all the games at a very decent price and they can't.

They make statements like

Sorry Rupert et al but the good times are over

even though Rupert is out of Sky for a good few years.

I mean, why would he care?

They wonder why the legitimate broadcasters can't match their illegal IPTV streaming service on price, oblivious to the cost of actually producting the content.

They think that if Sky were gone and some other entity took over then everything would be suddenly cheap.

You yourself even said a while back that you would like to see so and so shakeup the market

When I challenged you to explain how they would shake up the market you declined to explain.

Basically my point is that this thread is full of clowns who don't have a clue what they are on about.

I know how broadcasting rights work, I know why Sky etc can't show every game, I know why you can't just buy a club package, i know why it's cheaper in Vancouver, and I know that as long as the EPL is a top tier, high profile European league rights no matter what shape or form they take will never be cheap.

It would do football no harm to have a financial reality check across the board.

I've been predicting the burst of the Premier League since the day it started.

The original UK owners gave way to the oligarchs and US owners with even more money, and then came the oil rich owners with even more money again, all constantly inflating the bubble.

There seems to be no end to it

I've given up predicting it's demise.

Now TV is a month by month, no contract, keep it for as long or as little as you like.

Lots of discount codes on Bargain Alerts here.

I've got it before for a low as €10 a month.

Their sports package are exactly the same as the Sky Sports or Sports Extra packages but without the need for a satellite subscription or any sort of a base package.

Where are you getting 480 for the first year from?

IPTV will force something to change hopefully for the better.

So what will it change and how will it be for the better?

Or should I ask what should change?

Nothing is happening for at least 4 years.

After that you may have the end of the 3pm ban, you may have all games broadcast.

But it won't be cheap regardless of who owns the rights.

But it won't be cheap regardless of who owns the rights.

That's why IPTV will continue to grow. Servers can shutter but theres no shortage of sellers ready to jump in if another seller can't get his service back up sharpish. We can debate the rights and wrongs of it but it's only going to get more popular as the cost of living soars.

The reality is the rights situation in the UK and Ire need to be changed, the only difference between the two countries is that we get one 3pm on a Saturday compared to them.

The 2.45 to 5.15 rules need to be changed in the UK to allow us to watch the likes of the goals show that the PL produce for the world-feed. If they don’t the “illegal boxes” will grow even more massive.

Next 3 years are obviously taken up by Sky & TNT. Wonder what will happen after that. We shall see I suppose.

It doesn't. Amazon don't have any of next seasons rights.

back on topic, how are UPC for blocking streams lately without VPN

If you can put Proton vpn on it it sorted it for me on the Firestick using America, it's free but only a few countries available to use.

I remember reading that it costs Netflix, all in, the same to fully make/produce an episode of something like the Crown than Sky pay to show one premier league game. That's everything - everybody paid and produced.

So that's an episode that can be watched over and over, all over the world, by all demographics.

When a premier league game is done, its done. Nobody is going back in two years to rewatch Aston Villa v Newcastle.

This wrecks my head. I use my dodgy box nearly exclusively for F1. First few races were early in the morning, so no clashes. But the races during the day tend to have Premier League matches on at same time - so sometimes I do need a VPN to watch. It can be hit and miss, but VPN (I use Surfshark) always clears issues.

That's why the solution that solved music and video illegal downloading will not work for sports.