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Dating/befriending someone into conspiracies

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  • #32
    Sgt Hartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭Sgt Hartman


    I love reading and watching videos on conspiracies which are linked to ancient history and mythology. I especially love theories on lost or hidden lands beneath the earth, ancient technology and ancient races.

    I could get get lost for hours on those topics as I always had an interest in history and mythology. Of course I take everything I study with a huge pinch of salt and I would never try and engage someone in a one sided conversation about it. I’ve known a few people like this over the years and from personal experience it’s best to keep people like that at arms length. One in particular was deeply religious and big into religious apocolypticism. One of those “End of the World is nigh” people who believed that there was a catastrophic rapture coming where the world would be purged by fire. I try my best to steer him well away from such topics whenever I meet him.



  • #33
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,967 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123381923#Comment_123381923

    And, don’t forget, fact checking is now seen as a form of censorship.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • #34
    pleasant Co.
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 7,574 Mod ✭✭✭✭pleasant Co.


    I tend to lump conspiracy theorists and those “be kind” loons together, different cheeks of the same arse, both groupings are more than happy to repeat obvious and easily disproved lies.



  • #35
    suvigirl
    Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    A person believing in one conspiracy theory could be forgiven. The problem is that they believe one, they believe them all. That's what drives me nuts. Like maybe you could convince me on one particular subject, but then you bring up every other conspiracy topic, with 100% belief.

    There is something wrong with these people as surely most 'normal' people make up their minds on a subject individually?

    One friend is skirting close now at the moment, convinced that more people are dying now because of the COVID vaccine. With nothing to back up her opinion other then she knows lots of people dying 🙄 yeah, tends to happen as we get older.



  • #36
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,457 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123382541#Comment_123382541

    I suppose there's a distinction between being interested in something and exploring an idea and actually believing its true.

    The JFK stuff is interesting (not actually that interesting as its been done to death and there isn't even a consistent conspiracy theory). But I'm just a guy so I can read about it and know I don't actually know and it doesn't make much difference to me. I work from the general assumptions of the official story. But what do I know? If you were to believe in a conspiracy theory, which one would you pick because they're all roughly equally tenuous.

    To answer the OP, I don't think I could actually have a conspiracy theorist partner. I have lots of differences from my partner but we both base our opinions in reality. I think that's a low bar, to be honest.



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  • #37
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,166 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Conspiracy nuts are essentially dumb people who think they're smarter than everyone else, arrogant people are hard to like.



  • #38
    suvigirl
    Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123383486#Comment_123383486

    Bit like those who believe in psychic mediums and remote visions etc. Once had a guy tell me I just wasn't intelligent enough to understand and he was on a much higher level then me, which is why he was a psychic medium😂



  • #39
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,510 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    ‘into’ conspiracy.. ok, it can be ok, bit of a weird interest, fine.

    Actively ‘believing’ conspiracy’s.. and disagreeing with established truths and provable facts….no, forget it.



  • #40
    randd1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭randd1


    I would.

    But then after a few weeks subtly leave hints that I might be on to them…



  • #41
    SpoonyMcSpoon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 345 ✭✭SpoonyMcSpoon


    For me, the big no is someone who is essentially not open-minded. People that aren't willing to debate or discuss a topic; or, in particular, ridicule an opposing argument by insulting the person making it are not my kind of people. Even when we talk of "someone into conspiracies", I enjoy the yarns and tales that people concoct so that means I am "someone into conspiracies" but I also know I don't have all the facts and answers to definitively make a statement on global topics/events, whether in favour or against the conspiracy. This would also apply to religious people or those into the likes of astrology; if they are open-minded enough to accept that it is potentially nonsense then welcome to my friend circle!

    However, if talking about dating someone; to be honest I prefer if she does not have strong views on controversial topics and is more ignorant on these conspiracy or controversial areas. Looks good and is fun to be with is more of a priority for a partner.



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  • #42
    Tom Sanders
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭Tom Sanders


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058407025/dating-befriending-someone-into-conspiracies

    So you strive to be entertained, and not to be educated?

    Why choose to listen to people who you think are crazy? Unless you think all the other gurus are crazy too?



  • #43
    Jack Daw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Loads of conspiracy theories eventually turn out to be true.

    Remember the whole COVID came from a lab in China was a conspiracy theory when it's now almost certainly true.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz7vypq31z7o

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd9qjjj4zy5o

    Nationalists in the North were long suspicious of collusion between the British Forces and loyalists paramilitaries and that conspiracy theory turned out to be true.

    It was a conspiracy theory to suggest governments might be trying to control the weather and this week the following gets announced

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/scientists-experiments-block-sun-b2739518.html



  • #44
    silliussoddius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,138 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Except none of the agencies offered proof, but we did get a press release from the White House recently.



  • #45
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,457 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123392559#Comment_123392559

    Kinda. It depends on what evidence the conspiracy was based on. If it's just someone making a prediction with no evidence and then when the evidence comes in it turns out to be true, that's not really a conspiracy.

    It's silly when you think of someone saying "I believed that BEFORE there was any evidence for it"



  • #46
    cj maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,657 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    My only conspiracy theory is that the twin towers was a detonated explosion . Not for any other reason but if they fell across other buildings it would have been a lot worse



  • #47
    mulbot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Does anyone remember the conspiracy theory a few years ago that a guy eating a bat caused Covid. Seriously,imagine being with someone who'd have believed that.



  • #48
    cj maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,657 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123392938#Comment_123392938

    I thought it was pangolins .



  • #49
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,445 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123392834#Comment_123392834

    Plus the hardcore CTs were talking about a "plandemic", some deliberate conspiracy to release the virus for nefarious ends … not an accidental lab leak. It doesn't validate their drivel.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #50
    HazeDoll
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 800 ✭✭✭HazeDoll


    Maybe this isn't always the case but there is a definite correlation between believing those theories and lack of education. It makes sense: if I know nothing at all about, for example, telecommunications, it is almost indistinguishable from magic to me. I know it works because I use it every day, so as far as I'm concerned the 'impossible' is true. If the only explanation I come across is that 5G is being used to control my mind/bring in a new world order/cause global warming then that makes perfect sense to me. Any other explanation is boring and technical and hard to get my head around so I'm not interested.

    The less I know the fewer obstacles there are to accepting the woo.



  • #51
    Jack Daw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393374#Comment_123393374

    So many people deemed anyone who questioned the official COVID line as being a wack-job conspiracy theorist even though the official line has been proven to be a load of nonsense now.I would say that people who fall for the government official line hook line and sinker all the time are far more dangerous than conspiracy theorists are.



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  • #52
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,783 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393458#Comment_123393458

    my ct relative is educated to secondary level, had a promising trade career, and was/is bloody good at it, but they have undiagnosed adhd, and long term drug additions, so…..



  • #53
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,428 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393461#Comment_123393461

    I have had discussions with many folk since covid, and a lot of people are of the same belief as myself.

    Yes, the government got a lot of it wrong. Yes, we could have done things better. Yes perhaps there wasn't the need for such punitive measures. And yes, I took the vaccine but I know it was a risk to take it, but I did so for the greater good. I did not let my kids get it though.

    Do I believe it was all nonsense and a conspiracy to control us? No, as i had a sibling who was 50/50 as to whether they would live after contracting it. I also had an elderly next door neighbour die from it.

    Do I believe it had microchips in it? No.

    Do I believe it was released deliberately? No.

    Do I believe that the global elite and Bill Gates were involved in the vaccine? No.



  • #54
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,445 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393461#Comment_123393461

    How was it dangerous?

    Following the government recommendations instead of the wack job plandemic nuts made you safer. Especially wrt vaccines and we see that in the preventable deaths where vaccine uptake was low.

    The official line hasnt been proven to be nonsense either. What yoi linked doesnt prove anything talking in terms of likelihoods or show it to be nonsense.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #55
    ancapailldorcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,619 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393461#Comment_123393461

    Where has this been proven? Source please.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #56
    Jack Daw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393540#Comment_123393540

    Well it almost certainly didn't come from a bat, so until they can provide 100% cast iron proof it did (and they can't) it's perfectly reasonable to not buy into that theory.You can't prove it did come from a bat either like was initially claimed.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/03/opinion/covid-lab-leak.html



  • #57
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,445 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393540#Comment_123393540

    They are overegging and misrepresenting the source.

    One of the BBC links says:

    The CIA on Saturday offered a new assessment on the origin of the Covid outbreak, saying the coronavirus is "more likely" to have leaked from a Chinese lab than to have come from animals. But the intelligence agency cautioned it had "low confidence" in this determination.

    Thats miles away from how it is being misrepresented here.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #58
    Jack Daw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393509#Comment_123393509

    The official line hasn't proven to be true either.

    People who just believe whatever the government tell them are very easily manipulated and can be used to quieten down dissent, which is very handy for governments the world over in the present day and throughout history.

    It's much healthier for democracy if people don't blindly follow everything the government tells them.



  • #59
    ancapailldorcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,619 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393550#Comment_123393550

    No. You said the "offical COVID line" was disproven and now you're dumping some random opinion piece. Not good enough.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #60
    Pauliedragon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,856 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123392938#Comment_123392938

    It's Ozzy Osbournes fault so.



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  • #61
    mulbot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭mulbot


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393560#Comment_123393560

    So the bat story is the origin of Covid?



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