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This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,738 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    I would just assume with all “usedcarsni” ads that they’re generally UK registered cars and liable for vat/customs. Most vehicles with N.I registrations/suitable for ROI export now mention it in the ad. A lot of these N.I cars are now advertised on DD also. Yes, a photo would be nice but if you’re looking to pounce on a bargain you may have to be quick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,330 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    And to add to that, it really is a lottery bringing cars in from Northern Ireland unless you actually have proof that the car was being used there privately for at least 3 months. They might have been a bit lax when these new rules came into force per 01/01/2024, but they seem to have copped on now. What they accept as proof might be different from what you consider proof. I got caught in this myself.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,622 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I was chatting to a VRT person last week as I was considering an NI car, and asked her if many folk get shocked by finding out they have a huge bill to pay to change the car over?

    "More than you'd think" was the answer.

    I can imagine their dismay, and then it's too late as you have bought the car. A potential minefield.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,330 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    And to add insult to injury, if the "Northern Ireland zero VAT and duty" route failed and if you then want to just go ahead and pay the duty + VAT, you have another thing coming. It is as hard to import a private car from the UK now as it is to import a container ship from China. There are agents that can handle this for you, but they are not free either and it takes time, particularly if there is a hiccup, could set you back months.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 980 ✭✭✭Tango One


    It is a bit of moan though 😄,

    Yes no photo as its only up and taking the price it probably won't last last long.

    Look in the nice possible way. If we shut everything down, it's killing the conversation here. Yes NI cars can be work and could be a mine field but we can learn from one another. I hadn't heard about the no VRT on until I read this thread. Even with the trouble unkel is having at the moment we are learning the pitfalls. Taking that all into account there is value to be had if you put the leg work in.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,330 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Yep I agree. I am happy for this thread to contain chat if that means it will help some people in here avoid pitfalls that some other people have come across. I certainly have learnt my lessons here. I cut my losses on that car yesterday (a vintage petrol car) and sold it into the trade at a loss. But I also imported a UK reg EV recently from a private NI seller and it sailed through with zero VAT, zero duty and zero VRT, straight onto Irish plates.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 615 ✭✭✭turbodiesel


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    Think you are right about it being a UK car as there is no log book registered ownership changes since it was first registered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,375 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    This is the type of pragmatism that gets scoffed at.

    Ironic isn't it.😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 980 ✭✭✭Tango One


    I was thinking of your post listermint 😆. Not sure I get the ironic bit though I did agree with you on open debate and learning.

    Unkel what proof for the NI car did you bring to the vrt centre. Have you ever notice different centres apply different criteria.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,979 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    I have spoken to VRT staff and they confirmed to me that all you need is a V5 logbook issued 3+ months ago to a private NI address.

    I have also VRT’d a UK reg car that was up North for a year and also had an MOT up there. At the time the NI MOT was a requirement but staff have confirmed to me that its no longer required.

    Yet Unkel seems to have been told that he needs all sorts of ridiculous proof in order to VRT the car



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,330 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Which centre was that and when?

    People had told me, exactly like you are telling folks here now, that that was the case. So I went to VRT the car being confident all was well. V5 in NI for over 5 months, so all good. Wrong. Bad advice.

    The VRT told me that a V5 in a private NI address for 3 months is not proof that the car was used privately in NI for 3 months in both Greenhills and when I tried again with a fresh V5 in Ballymount VRT centres in the last few months. That's why zero duty and VAT were not allowed on my car

    For the next car the only thing I had extra was proof of private insurance linked to the car, to a private individual with a private address in NI, for over 3 months. This was sufficient proof

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,979 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Greenhills & Ballymount staff have both told me that a V5 logbook issued 3+ months ago was all I needed. No need for any further proof. This was maybe 3 weeks ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,330 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Maybe some staff members don't know the rules yet. Wouldn't surprise me 😂

    Anyway, I hope people reading this are now better aware of the risks. If only I had not been given bad advice, it would have saved me a lot of money. Maybe if you bring your car in with just a V5 in NI for 3 months, you will be let through. Maybe not. Gentlemen, place your bets…

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 980 ✭✭✭Tango One


    It's a big ask for the insurance from the previous owner. I know if I was selling a car and a new owner ask oh can I have a copy of your old insurance I would be like the feck you can.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    A letter from the insurance company would suffice. Much in the same way insurance companies provide letters stating how many years experience one has on a policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,330 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I would give it no problem. The owner of the last car gave it to me no problem. It was all the proof that the VRT crowd needed (on top of course of the V5)

    But any other proof of actual private use and ownership will also do of course

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Curious as to what other proof there could be. Toll charges? Wouldn't necessarily prove private ownership. Public charging records? Same.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,656 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I used the log book and MOT cert that had the test in NI over 3 months before buying.

    On another car, it had no MOT but had a small bunch of receipts from the main dealer with the owners name and address on them over the 3 months.

    These receipts were for basic items, wheel nuts, air filter etc so by no means complex.

    If you really want a UK car, there are means to get it into NI for 3 months and get some paperwork to back it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,802 ✭✭✭MojoMaker




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,979 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    None. They could give out your insurance details if they crash but that wouldn’t get them very far. UK cars don’t even use insurance discs anyway



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,330 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Some people seem to be overly afraid of sharing any personal details. The same people will cover the reg of their car when they are selling it, etc. Wouldn't be me.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,802 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Nervous Nellies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,979 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    So I have visited both Ballymount and Greenhills today and they have both confirmed that as long as the V5 logbook has been issued 3+ months ago in a private Northern Ireland address, there is absolutely no need for any further proofs. Like I have been saying on here for weeks now.

    I even queried your scenario and they said that your logbook probably wasn’t issues 3+ months ago, and that it would have got sent to Revenue who required further proof.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,330 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Incorrect. V5 on my car was in name of private NI person with private NI address since June 2024. My VRT appointment was in November 2024. The VRT people literally told me: "anyone can put a V5 into someone else's name". Which I suppose is a correct statement. Not proof the car was used privately in NI at all

    But we can talk about this all day, anyone want to follow your advice, good luck to them. They might get away with it. They might not.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,979 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    November? 5 months ago? You kept that quiet. I’ve literally explained on here before that the most recent guidance was only issued a few weeks ago. The new stipulation is that the logbook needs to have been issued 3+ months ago. So you can’t just backdate the ownership. Your the one spreading false and outdated information.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 980 ✭✭✭Tango One


    I would always avoid providing more information than needed in any circumstance. Requesting a letter from your insurance for a 3rd party I would see as a safer option rather than you full insurance document each to there own, but would avoid leaving any open road to identity theft or anything else someone could come up with. Same reason I would never sign up for an telco, gas or electric company on my front door. It seems sensible to me.

    User and Unkel really odd getting the different advice from the same centers. It would be worth getting something in writing on it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 980 ✭✭✭Tango One




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,656 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Cat N, FYI.

    Nice car though, I like the lip kit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,330 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    My last attempt was just last week. Done by a buddy of mine, we pretended he owned it. Brand new clean V5 supplied by the NI owner, dated September 2024, with car on NI plates and all since then. Same story, I did not have proof of private ownership apart from the V5. Rejected again.

    That was the last straw for me. We could get a fresh V5 again, then get the owner in NI to pay insurance on it (or gather other proof), wait another 3 months and then book it in again, but I had no appetite for that. It was holding me back and I have another project now

    No idea why you won't believe me, but hey.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,375 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    If you have alot of history of imports there is a chance revenue are making it difficult for you. Just a thought



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