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Very quiet in here

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,603 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Im guessing it was a very low post-count poster, and they were deservedly banned.

    Had a look at the thread and saw some discussion about JK Rowling. Would you want posters defending her banned?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,972 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    How can I link a post that was deleted and poster banned? I am sure I am not the only one here who saw it.

    Glad to see you call it out though despite the caveat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,525 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Oddly, I think that poster posed that question to us both expecting us to defend the position he outlined by that other poster.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,525 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I'm getting my information on this from you.

    I never saw the post nor was I aware it had been deleted.

    I think it's a case that proves conclusively that EmmetSpiceland's position that boards is a cesspit filled with bigotry is an absolute fallacy.

    So I suppose I really should thank you for proving my point.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    That is a shame. I really feel that moderators should try not to let personal feelings get in the way of actioning posts, that warrant action.

    Does anyone know was there a timeline given for Beasty to return or is he now gone from any form of overseeing the site? I know he “stepped back” but, I assumed, he’d be back at some point.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,972 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Or maybe you missed a lot of posts like that and have no idea what is going on with the site?

    In which case why bother posting in feedback?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,525 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    If I'm missing them I'm assuming it's because they're not tolerated by the site and thusly removed.

    Which just further proves my point and discredits whatever point you're attempting to make here and by your own logic calls into question why you're posting in feedback yourself.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,820 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    They are reported and in most cases removed. But have to be reported we are told because mods don't see them otherwise if not on thread .

    Some threads worse than others



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    I saw that post and reported it and disagreed with it on thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,508 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    that's ridiculous rule if you think about it. or should know gives the mods an excuse to ban anyone they want. along with no appeals until the 6th warning, who came up those rules.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,344 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Well actually the 'should know' rule goes back to the original CA rules. It is not new. It means if you are making a claim or statement of fact you should do some due diligence on it first and not just chuck out a wild rumour from an unreliable source - at least thats my reading of it.

    Seems reasonable concept to me though it could do with clarification on how its applied / it is still applicable.

    I think long bans or sanctions that add up on your permanent record should be appealable in some manner even if not under the full DRP process.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,816 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Absolutely. But this is nothing new.

    CA at least, has always been bafflingly lenient with posters who post utter nonsense in a civil way. Well-intended posters can post replies containing definitive proof that something is wrong, and it'll never be responded to in anyway. The poster will just carry as if nothing had happened.

    It is utterly bad faith posting, the very opposite of what a discussion site is supposed to be, but nothing, and I mean nothing, ever, is done about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    I've got twice one week ban in ca, on the same thread.. But should have been banned for a month on the second occasion?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,509 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The problem is allowing people the platform surely?

    If you ask:

    What’s your most controversial opinion? 

    why would you pretend to be surprised to get 'controversial opinions'?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,344 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The After Hours charter has:

    Keep it lighthearted; serious discussion is catered for elsewhere on the site

    Don't discriminate, whether its by sex, gender, religion, race.....anything...just dont.

    You don't have to look far in the forum for obvious breaches of it. Again, unclear what rules the mods are actually playing by, or if they've just largely checked out.

    If something is getting into serious discussion of issues or political broadsides, it should be in CA or Politics. Another factor in why those forums would be quiet. Also, someone banned from discussing those issues in CA shouldn't be able to repeat the performance in AH.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,330 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    The 'funny' thing is, I have seen numerous posts where posters just state absolute nonsense, with nothing to back up their posts whatsoever, but then I saw a poster that posted 2 links to back up their post. Which were then deleted by a mod, because one link was 6.5 years old.

    Forum rules state, if you believe a poster is wrong or posting something wrong, point it out and move on. But yet, one posters links are deleted. It's just not a level playing field.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,972 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    I never said I was suprised so no idea where you are getting that from?

    What I was doing was giving an example of bigotry to another poster a number of days ago.

    That thread has mod instructions in the opening post.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,509 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You acted surprised that a thread soliciting controversial opinions on a forum that religiously ignores mod instructions, got a controversial contribution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,972 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    No I didn't. I was replying to a poster who said:

    "As mentioned already, none of these people are being banned for bigotry."

    I gave a direct example of a poster that was. That's all, no suprise from me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,509 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    FFS you were asking people ‘do you think that is ok?’

    If the thread is soliciting controversial opinions don't be surprised if you get one moderation in the 1st thread or not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,015 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I think we have the 1st, 6 month ban, will be interesting to see how it pans out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    What’s the SLA for an answer on this? As I mentioned in my appeal, this is an utterly disproportionate response from the MOD team, particularly in light of the behavior of other posters. It feels like a highly personalised attempt to silence a dissenting view. Would appreciate your adjudication ASAP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,634 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    It's targeting posters.

    You just have to see what's left in the CA immigration thread to see the difference, that thread has become unbearable to read and constantly spammed by a certain poster(s) and nothing is done, hell they dont even want you reporting these posters….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,525 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    You have my sympathy.

    You were given a review that lasted a whole 12 minutes, an absolute kangaroo court.

    What does banning a long time user for six months accomplish exactly?

    If you had been abusing people and making a nuisance if yourself it would be understandable, but breaking a rule enforced on one thread shouldn't put a poster off of CA for half a year.

    Is there a concerted effort to drive the site into the ground or something?

    Post edited by nullzero on

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Sorry to see ya go @Hamachi - A fine poster as your post/thanks ratio seems to show



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    Just so everybody gets to see this before I'm gone. The moderator Big Bag of Chips sent this to me just now.

    "Warned for weaseling around the site goading other posters. It's pathetic. Seriously, cop on to yourself particularly if you have zero value to add to a thread.".

    JFYI: So that everybody has visibility on the caliber of what purports to be moderation on this site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,525 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    A particularly unedifying thing to see.

    Sorry to see you close your account. Take care.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,330 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Things are working the way they are meant to work. This rule was brought in to make life easy for the mods. No appeals up to the 6 month ban, means that arbitrary warnings are given out. When it comes to the 6 month ban, it is the only one looked at. This isn't going to change. They want users to close their accounts, ie make life easy.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,538 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    The warning I issued used exactly the text the poster was warned for. Good to see him (and others) publicly acknowledge that it wasn't an acceptable post.

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    Poster has been sitebanned on warning points.

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,525 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I had no visibility of that tbh.

    I'm curious however as to how users that end up being issued a six month ban in CA should expect their dispute resolution to be dealt with.

    I see ancapailldorcha oversaw the one Hamachi initiated and made a decision in 12 minutes. Is that sufficient time in which to make such a decision?

    I'd also be if the opinion that ancapailldorcha is unlikely to ever overturn a decision made by a moderator in such cases as his own beliefs/opinions are very well understood by most regular users as is his own ability to engage in nasty behaviour himself.

    Is this the individual that should be acting as judge jury and executioner is these situations? Or could someone with less bias be appointed for the sake of even appearing to be fair in such situations?

    I can speak to this personally as I had a falling out with him on a thread last year and ended up thread banned and when I challenged the ban he was the one handling that dispute resolution which honestly wasn't a reasonable situation. I understand there isn't a wealth of people to carry out these roles but there should be some fairness also.

    I'm not attempting to just have a go at ancapailldorcha here, surely it should be uncomfortable for him to be in that position also?

    Glazers Out!



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