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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,731 ancapailldorcha
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    He might not have policies in the sense of policies being defined goals with roadmaps, plans, funding and staff allocated to achieve a desired end but there are recurring themes running through MAGA which partly explain his behaviour. He's been a racist his entire life so it makes sense that he'd try and make immigrants' lives harder for instance. He subscribes to a zero sum fallacy and much of what he says is explained by this.

    Ultimately though, he is simply a deeply unintelligent person who appreciates on some level that he's inferior to just about everyone and that his "success" was something he inherited from his father.

    The obsession with bringing back manufacturing is based on both his racism and his inability to comprehend the zero sum fallacy. Manufacturing mostly happens in places like China for a reason. Trump doesn't get this because he is incapable. From Fear: Trump in the White House by Bob Woodward:

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    I grew up on a farm. I spent my childhood doing hard manual labour. No way would I ever want to go back to that. I'd rather by Ryan from The Office in a closet with a computer than back on a farm.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,150 ilkhanid
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    It's not unknown. Nazi Germany is one example and the Taiping rebellion is another. Also arguably the Yellow Turbans, also in China. You could say that the Mormons tried to take over a state. Unusual religious cults had great influence in old Vietnam up until the war against the French. Bizarre religious eruptions troubled much of medieval Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 harryharry25
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    FF are currently the biggest party in the Dail.

    Telling folk lies about housing numbers and lying about other things like scoliosis operations goes a long way



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,719 Leg End Reject
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 939 Detritus70
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    They're not all in a cult. A lot will vote for a mouldy dog turd as long as it has an R beside the name. A lot are not too bright (we're talking two planks territory) and they actually believe what Trump says. Some are in it for the hatred, be that against the LGBTQ community, brown people, wimmin, intelligent and educated people, liberals or anyone who is in any way progressive. Some have a hatred of democracy, government and society itself and some are just deranged conspiracy nuts who believe that Trump was sent by Jesus to do away with all them evil pedophiles.

    So, no. Not all are in a cult. But voting Trump is just like buying crack. No matter what your reasons for doing so, it's never a decision borne from sound reasoning and the outcome is never positive in any way, shape or form.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,731 ancapailldorcha
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    There's a reason tyrants hate education and try to destroy it as soon as possible.

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    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,043 briany
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    You know things aren't great when someone with the nickname of 'mad dog' can be quoted as a sober voice of reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,436 rossie1977
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    Well they certainly display 'cult like' behaviour....

    As for policies,trade wasn't viewed as important in last election, only 33% of registered Republicans said it was important, 16% of Democrats https://news.gallup.com/poll/651719/economy-important-issue-2024-presidential-vote.aspx

    Trump won primarily because of inflation and more to the point food prices. He has done zip to lower those same food prices since January



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,737 looksee
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    We keep seeing comments about not wanting US food in Europe. A Netflix documentary 'Poisoned, the dirty truth about your food' will absolutely confirm this concern.

    There is still a huge problem with pathogens in the food chain there, there are people trying to improve the situation but the main problem is politics - particularly lobbyists, lack of central control over food safety and both too many and not enough agencies controlling food quality.

    Then on top of this Trump has removed or reduced many of the agencies. He keeps saying he will reduce regulation. Its regulation that has made European food safe, but Trump is going to reduce it in the US. There is no wonder Europe will not accept US food. And through it all, the politicians keep repeating the mantra, the USA has the safest food in the world.

    Its worth a watch, both as an insight into politics, and general food safety.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,893 aloyisious
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    Possibly if the effect of Trump's tariffs, and the link between the effect they have on the dollars in the pockets of the general US public shopper is told often enough over the next three years.

    It's time to roll out the quote about the economy again, putting the "stupid" word in a different context, as in "it's the economy due to stupid" [Trump], aiming it directly at all those who voted for Trump and the MAGA Trump supporters elected alongside him.

    The blame for Trump getting away unchallenged by the GOP in both parts of Congress, and promoted by them as MAGA, has to be settled firmly unto their faithful shoulders. That also includes his family members who were taken into the White House by him as part of his home team.

    If the Democrats don't sink Trump and MAGA next time around, a plague on their house.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,893 aloyisious
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    Trumps experts have him thinking otherwise on the illegal border crossings, or why else would he be sending US military to that border?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,353 Strazdas
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    Hitler definitely had a huge cult like following - he was portrayed by the propaganda machine as a messiah type figure "sent by Providence" to save Germany.

    There are similarities with the MAGA phenomenon for certain. This doesn't mean for a moment that the US will end up with extermination camps or in a world war, but there is a big cult element to Trump's hardcore MAGA supporters (such people were already down the road of conspiracy theories and a belief in a sinister 'deep state' before he even became President).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,045 Tell me how
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    Hegseth could be done.

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    The sh*tshow continues!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 540 For Petes Sake
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    Honestly. How are American's watching all of this unfold and think 'yep, that's my guy'.

    You reap what you sow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,043 briany
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    I keep on saying this, and I would be happy to be wrong, but I fear there won't be a next time. Not a meaningful one, anyway.

    Trump and his minions have not gone into this term half-cocked. There is a very specific plan on how to consolidate and maintain power and it centres around moulding the federal government into a MAGA one. The last time around, there were enough people in key positions who placed loyalty to the US constitution above loyalty to Trump. Will that be true by the time the US midterms roll around, never mind the next presidential election?

    Trump already has the federal justice system headed by two proper sycophants in the form of Pamela Bondi for the US justice department and Kash Patel for the FBI. The latter wrote a children's book called 'The Plot to Kill the King' using this illustration as its cover. Mental.

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    And that's not to mention that Trump wants to bring the Federal Elections Commission under his direct control and if he's successful, that would be a critical blow to the concept of free and fair elections at a countrywide level in the USA.

    When you think about how close Trump got to reversing the result of 2020 when it was an ad-hoc and chaotic attempt, what does anyone think that he and his backers would be capable of, with a proper plan, in 2026 and 2028. It can't be a leap of imagination to think that it's going to be significantly more fraught, especially with how ineffective his political opponents have so-far proven themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,743 Tony EH
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    I answered another post with this, but it seems appropriate here too…

    There's 346,795,913 people in the US, and a very large portion of them are as dumb as a bag of stones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 540 For Petes Sake
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    I honestly think this White House is on a collision course with the Supreme Court.

    It's bad enough that Trump lost Barrett's vote, but the decision over the weekend to halt the Venuzuelans getting deported dragged Kavanaugh and Gorsuch to the majority side as well.

    Kavanaugh isn't too much of a surprise, but Gorsuch had definitely looked like he was leaning more towards Alito and Thomas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,759 yagan
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    You could forgive some the first time around, but reelecting him removes all excuses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,043 briany
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    I get that feeling as well…from such subtle clues as Trump openly criticising judges and the USSC issuing a ruling that directly hampers a central MAGA policy in the last couple of days.

    In other words, of course a collision is going to happen if Trump things the USSC stands in the way of the MAGA agenda. The only thing that might delay this is if Trump tries to grab total power too quickly, it may kick off a popular revolt. They could look to chip away at other aspects of US democracy first and further pump out propaganda that demonises the USSC before going in with the knife. Let the frog boil a little longer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 540 For Petes Sake
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    It's not just the fact that they issued a ruling that directly hampers a central MAGA policy. They issued it at 1am. SCOTUS felt they couldn't trust the administration that they had to put a stop to it at stupid o'clock in the morning before Alito could even write a dissent.

    All completely unprecedented.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,353 Strazdas
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    Not sure how typical this is but these two German female tourists were treated like hardcore criminals or terrorists before being deported (!) by the US. These type of stories are going to annihilate the tourism industry, certainly as far as Europeans go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,043 briany
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    And also that statement that chief justice Roberts put out.

    The trajectory seems fairly obvious. Trump's government will want to bring the USSC to heel.

    However, even if this doesn't happen, Trump already has the US justice system under his thumb, so what would the USSC actually DO if Trump openly defied a ruling, and the answer is fukk all. He is above the law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,045 Tell me how
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    With respect to the brewing conflict between the Supreme Court and the White House, some right wing outlets and commentators, The Federalist, being one are suggesting Trump should ignore or even disband the Court.

    Where are those 2A advocates with their muskets? Isn't this why they wanted to keep them?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 pad406
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    Genuine question. Say Trump ignores a USSC order, what can they actually do? I'm talking specifically about the SC now, obviously there could be civil disorder etc, but what can they actually do?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,353 Strazdas
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    There's no way this is happening by accident. They are clearly receiving orders from above to be as hard as possible on anyone who is not an American citizen coming through a US airport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,356 trashcan
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    Yep, it’s looking harder and harder escape that conclusion. Democracy in America is currently on life support, at best. Can’t help but wonder are we looking at potential civil war, or some States seceding from the Union ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 Suckler
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    It's amazing that all the NRA, pro-gun lobbies and staunch 2nd amendment backers told us all that their guns were necessary to ward of a tyrannical government….turns out a twitter account and two fingers to the checks & balances 'Ttrumps' all those guns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,043 briany
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    Tyrannical against their interests, maybe, but I suspect that those Americans who masturbate to gun catalogues largely feel that their views are shared by Trump's government so they're probably more likely to take up arms in order to shoot 'the libs' who would stand against Trump's agenda.

    Shag all. They could hold Trump's government in contempt, but without muscle to back this up, it is completely meaningless.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,404 Wolf359f
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    USSC wouldn't actually do any kind of enforcement, they just interpret legislation etc… It's the lower courts (who through appeals, the ruling get's kicked up to the supreme court) who would enforce their previous judgement (or cannot enforce it, if the USSC rules against them)



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