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Solar for Beginners [ask your questions here]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,988 ✭✭✭10-10-20




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,074 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    If export goes down, my import should also go down.

    Netherlands is also where you may be charged for export on certain tariffs when there is a lot of PV on the grid



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭Reg'stoy


    What are people's thoughts on single glass versus double glass panels. Quotes for a similar system, one with single, the other with double, getting a longer warranty on the double and spiel claims that they will be more productive over the longer term, but difference price wise is just over €1000. So I suppose the question is, short term saving versus longer term saving, after all you'd be hoping for a 20+ year usage of a solar system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭geographica


    anyone use BGE website to get a quote?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,108 ✭✭✭Soarer


    If I switch to the Energia Smart EV tariff and get 4 hours of cheap leccy, and use that time to charge my 20kWh battery through my 5kW inverter, can I still time my Nest to heat the water from 5am to 6am without affecting my battery being charged?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    Yup - you should be able to charge the battery and still heat the hot water at the same time on your cheap EV rate.

    While you didn't specify if you have an EV or not (just that you were moving to the EV tariff), if you were additionally charging an EV at the same time, then that might be pushing the limits of your standard house load.

    5kw (solar battery) + 2.8Kw (immersion) + 7Kw (EV charger) = 14.8Kw

    which is in about the limit of what the typical house fuse will handle. If you don't have an Electrical vehicle in the mix, your fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,618 ✭✭✭grogi


    Plug-in systems - what is the legal standing in Ireland for the small PV systems?

    For instance in Germany so called Terrace Powerplant (Balkonkraftwerk) is limited to 2kWp and 800W inverter - but if that is met, it doesn't require any permits etc. You just plug the inverter to the socket, and within a month you need to simply fill online form on the regulator website.

    I noticed that a lot ready-to-go kits and devices are available - Anker, Marstek and many other offer AIO that integrate solar controller with multiple inputs and MPPT, Battery (frequently expandable), Inverter and optionally additionl consumption meter (to dynamically throttle down the inverter if needed).

    Could I use such system in Ireland?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,074 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Not really, every inverter needs at least an NC6 sent into ESBN.

    There's no exception for the small plug in inverters like Germany.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,108 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Have 2no. EVs in the family, but I'm lucky enough that I can charge in work. Using to EV rate to charge the batteries. 👍️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,768 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    They were a bit vague about it, but it obviously involved installing a CT clamp in the proper direction. I didn't push it as they had sent the electrician, it was fixed, and it seems to be reliable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,768 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Why even consider a 'kuntish' scenario, I suppose? Follow the regs, get the grant. Or forget the grant and do what you like, until someone reports you to the planning authorities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,768 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    It's not witchcraft - you tell the system what the priorities should be. So in my case, solar PV power goes to the house first, battery second (if not already fully charged), grid third. I do this because I want the battery charged during the day to power the house at night.

    If I was export oriented I would set it the priorities at house>grid>battery (effectively not charging the battery from PV as the grid will always accept). Battery charge at EV night rate (or any other times you like from grid) can be programmed into the inverter.

    Not witchcraft, just boring observation and prioritisation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,373 ✭✭✭con747


    Have you read the thread title? It IS witchcraft if you don't know what to do. That's why people post here to ask for help and guidance not judgement on their abilities or questions.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,768 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    No intention to judge. Sure I'm only a beginner myself. Building your own rig and batteries - now that's witchcraft! 😉



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,875 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Financially speaking the priority should always be your second paragraph



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,768 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Doesn't it depend on your tariffs and the size of the battery?

    In my case, the battery is charged at EV rate, but at 10kWh it doesn't have the capacity to last all day. Need recharge during the day to prevent drawing from grid at day rate and peak rate hours. New system, still learning, still collecting data, but it seems the simplest way is to keep battery topped up during the day at the moment, so I have the inverter in Self Use mode. Most of the PV production still goes to the grid, on sunny days at least.

    In summer it may well be a different story of course, with no heating load meaning battery beyond peak tariff times off single EV rate charge, in which case I'll switch to max Feed In mode.

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,074 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Solis seems to be the only inverter, that has that feed in priority mode, that mode would be quite useful if you have an oversized array.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,781 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Hi all, I have some questions I am hoping some of you more knowledgeable people can help me with.

    I have been offered a free installation of what I believe is a basic 2kw / 5 panel solar system by Bord Gais, as part of the Medically Vulnerable Solar PV Scheme.

    My house has already been assessed and found suitable, (one storey, 2 bedroom, mid terrace) and according to the stats they've given me the 5 panels will generate approx 50% to 60% of my electricity. The only thing I need to pay for is an upgrade of the meter tails from the meter box to the fuse box, the cost of which should be recouped in 18/24 months. Everything else is covered by BG.

    So, any advice? I am hoping to go ahead and was wondering if I should add more panels (and how much do they cost, approx?) Also should I add a battery? (and what do they cost?) Any additions to the basic system on offer, is at my own expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,373 ✭✭✭con747


    I would get more panels if possible. AFAIK they only supply a string inverter which is not suitable to add batteries to. You need a hybrid inverter for that. Put the panels information into the below tool to get a rough guide of generation. https://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvg_tools/en/#PVP

    https://ika.ie/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/SEAI-Medically-Vulnerable-Solar-PV-System.pdf

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,988 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Are you registered as a priority user? Is this scheme for energy independence during a future potential outage or what is the intended objective, may I ask?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,373 ✭✭✭con747


    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,639 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    a 5kWh battery install would add approx €2k to that; and adding extra panels would (from what i've seen recently) add between €200 and €300 each. i don't know how they'd handle the grant though - installing more panels would accrue a slightly larger grant, but if the installers are handling that end i don't know how they might handle passing that on to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,781 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Yes, I am registered and this scheme is by invitation only. I believe the scheme is to reduce costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,781 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I'm thinking of adding another five panels, a neighbour down the road in the same house has ten panels, so I'm thinking maybe I should get the same?

    BG and their contractor are handling all the grant stuff. I don't have to do anything. If I want to just get the basic system they're offering me, all I have to pay for is the meter tails upgrade.

    Apologies if these are stupid questions, I am literally clueless in this area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,373 ✭✭✭con747


    If you intend getting or adding batteries in the future make sure you have a chat to the installer beforehand and it will be an extra cost for a hybrid inverter. If you can afford the panels I would get them now because if you decide to in the future it will cost a lot more to do it.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,781 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Thanks con747. Definitely think I will be adding an extra 5 panels.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,639 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    My comment about the grant was that a 2kW system would accrue €1.4k in grant money but a 4kW system (which ten panels would give) gains the max grant of €1.8k. I'd be asking the installers to confirm that if you did add to the install, that they'd account for that in the price you'd be paying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,781 ✭✭✭Ezeoul




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,108 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Evening all.

    Dunno if this is known webiste or not, but I stumbled across this site called Get Pylon https://getpylon.com/

    It's a fairly advanced array builder, with proper panels (dimensions) listed, pricing, etc.

    I think it's more for businesses, but you can register for a free trial, which give you enough credits for a few "projects". But if you're only doing your own place, you should be golden. Actually you can obviously do a few places, but either stay below your limit of projects, or just overwrite your first one once finished.

    If I'm late to the party, I apologise.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,988 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    That's good to hear. My questions were only to determine whether this might have been some hair-brained scheme to increase resilience during a power-loss by offering solar-only with no storage, nothing else intended (sorry if it came across another way).

    A much better offering would be the battery backed system alright. 👍️



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