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What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Note in Post #3372**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    That Robert F Kennedy Jr is 100% correct about trying to find a root cause/cure for autism and all the people objecting to him discussing this are complete morons.

    Based on twitter over the past few days there are loads of people who think it's appalling he even wants to discuss it but all those "I'm on the spectrum" idiots who seem to love the fact that they have some very mild form of autism that does not have a debilitating impact on their lives are incredibly disrespectful to all the people and families on whom it's has a debilitating impact and who I am certain would like a cure for it if possible.

    You hear them saying "there is no cure , you should just embrace autistic people as they are" forgetting about all the people who have autism who'll never be able to live independently and also forgetting that there are loads of illnesses in the past that there wasn't a cure for and yet they found one.

    It's amazing that it appears to be lefties mainly who have this attitude and yet they tend to be the ones who constantly question people for being opposed to science yet they display this neanderthal attitude themselves when it comes to autism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,556 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    RFK is a person who is a proponent of the claim autism is caused by vaccines. In terms of a "cure", what exactly do you think this would entail? Groups have pushed supposed "cures" for autism for decades, more often than not it's ended up being harmful to the children hence why it tends to be treated with derision. You're not gonna rewire a person's brain so at best, providing supports is what's needed which RFK has no interest in.

    Also, for the record taking jabs at people who are on the spectrum and functioning reasonably well is frankly ignorant. Eg I'm on the spectrum and you'd most likely consider it mild. It had a profound impact on my general development though and frankly, it's sheer luck that I made it through my teens.

    You are a tad infatuated with rants about lefties. RFK doesn't listen to experts, no expert in the field is promising a cure for autism, so why should we trust a conspiracy theorist to deliver it? Maybe Alex Jones can sell them some vitamins? If you want a root cause, a proportion of the population will always end up autistic, so unless you're proposing eugenics to prevent it, it's not going away. So ya, basically anyone with any basic knowledge on RFK would know he's a bullshit artist who will do more harm than good.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,597 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Kennedy spends his time doing his best to make sure other people's children die. Not sure why you think such a man deserves praise honestly. He's made it very clear that he thinks autistic people are subhuman refuse.

    An utterly vile and hateful man.

    What is he doing to find the cause of autism?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    He's also spoken of looking for a cure for it, if it isn't caused by vaccines wouldn't it be better to find out 100% what it is caused by and then try and prevent it if possible.

    Some of the "i'm on the spectrum" people pronounce it with a degree of pride likes it's something to be proud of , it's those people I'm pointing out how obnoxious they come across as as it trivializes what is a very debilitating condition for some.

    my reference to lefties is in response to all the american politicians and their supporters who rounded on Kennedy during the week for what he said when he said absolutely nothing controversial.These types constantly refer to the groupthink of the "far right" but they never have the sense to see they're no better themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    There is nothing wrong with questioning why Autism rates have increased so much in recent decades , there is nothing wrong with trying to find a root cause of it, questioning things is how scientific progress gets made.

    I think he's a prick (as was his father and the rest of his family) but I don't see any harm in what he said during the week, in spite of some in american losing their **** over it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,024 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I doubt it. The ones who are profoundly disabled through autism or other neurological differences have always existed. They were institutionalised and died younger back then, like his own aunt was famously lobotomised and institutionalised and hidden away.

    There were loads of people who were considered odd and some of them got on ok-ish and some didn't.

    Now that they actually understand more about autism and other disorders, they can diagnose them more accurately. Plus public awareness goes up so more people ask for assessments. It's not really that unexpected. The more you look fir something, the more you find.

    But look, my question is this: what is RFK actually proposing to do about it? Apart from conspiracy theories and culture wars about vaccines, what is he going to do? I've seen nothing so far. Will he suggest anything that doesn't suit Trump's populist agenda of culture wars? Will he fcuk



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,597 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,024 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Controversial opinion

    I think progressive and conservative are traits. If you oppose change now but think you would have supported progressive movements in the past, you're deluded.

    If you don't generally like change now, then you would most likely have opposed the classic examples of change in the past of you were alive for them, slavery, women's suffrage, No matter how obvious it might seem now, if you're opposed to change now, you'd most likely have been opposed to change then too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Well maybe he will do something going forward.We'll find out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,978 ✭✭✭Suckler


    No one better for RFK Jr. to bring in than long-discredited researcher and vaccine skeptic David Geier to conduct a government study on whether vaccines cause autism?

    You're not really being honest as to why you're happy about this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,024 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    What he said was great for news and culture wars. But what did he actually propose to do about it?

    Didn't you even notice he didn't actually do anything so far? He just stoked some culture wars and encouraged people who know fcuk all about neuro-biology to pretend to know all about it on Internet forums.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,597 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Thanks for proving my point. He won't. All he cares about is spreading misery and suffering. We know what the result is going to be.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,024 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Man alive, you're very trusting. Do you tell people "maybe our politicians will dort out the housing problem. Well find out"

    Or "maybe the current government will sort out the infrastructure overspend. Well find out".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,556 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    One of the most probable causes of autism is simply genetics… So what exactly would you propose as a cure in the scenario? Some eugenics maybe? The classification of autism has broadened because we've recognised that it's a much broader grouper that fall under the spectrum. Diagnoses have increased as a direct result while your pal RFK ignores that and portrays it as something ominous. Meanwhile RFK keeps vaguely claiming "toxins" are responsible which is just going back to his own conspiracy theories so nothing to do with identifying a root cause.

    Those "I'm on the spectrum" people are doing so because they've most likely struggled because their personalities don't necessarily fit in and it's helped in terms of coming to a better understanding of themselves. So no, it's pretty petty to bitching about it. Particularly when masking your personality is hugely common in autism.

    RFK made a huge generalisation and had to backtrack. He probably made the generalisation because that's the portrayal that he's utilized for anti vaccine propaganda over the years. Plenty of autistic people will pay taxes, plenty will date, marry and have children. In fact, if we're going by the genetic link, the reality is that autistic still procreate plenty cause we're not something that needs curing...

    https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/04/16/nx-s1-5366676/autism-cdc-rates-rfk-research



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,556 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    He's wrong about autism but he isn't far wrong with what he says about the standard of food in America. I wouldn't touch their agricultural products. Full of shite



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Well if it's genetic then you would propose testing so people could find out if they have the gene and make an informed decision about whether to go through with having children or not.

    Plenty of people have chosen to not have children because they carried a gene that could pass an illness on to any potential children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    But i never said I was happy about it.

    I just said the hysterical reaction to it from some people was over the top.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,556 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Except Kennedy has explicitly said he wants to find the "toxins" that are responsible. Also you realise that researchers have worked in this area for decades but Kennedy doesn't have an interest in that part of things. Secondly. There's unlikely to be a single gene that causes anything like this so you're not gonna be able to prevent it.

    If Kennedy gave a **** about people with autism, he would work on providing social, educational and fiscal supports. Saying they need to be cured isn't gonna help anything and frankly, it's pretty offensive. This is Kennedy pursuing a conspiracy theory and will have no positive effect.

    The fact you seem to know very little about the subject and have gone out of your way to praise Kennedy says more about the kind of the demographic he's aiming to appeal to. It's the kind of people who might have good intentions but will cause harm, be it not vaccinating their children or using supposed cures on their children. It's the absolute opposite of what a public official should be doing. Eg a decent public health could very easily explain the increase in diagnoses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Saying a condition of any kind needs to be cured is not offensive.

    This is exactly the type of reaction I'm talking about which I saw during the week and which is simply ridiculous.

    I imagine my cousin who's son has very debilitating autism would love to find a cure for it so his son could live a full independent life.

    Just because you can cope with your condition and are happy enough doesn't mean others are and don't want to find a solution.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,520 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Maybe people are getting worked up because a deranged clown was given a job that impact people’s health because he’s a sycophant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,978 ✭✭✭Suckler


    That Robert F Kennedy Jr is 100% correct about trying to find a root cause/cure for autism and all the people objecting to him discussing this are complete morons.

    Being "100% correct" would indicate you're completely satisfied with him and how he's going to go about this, you skimmed over the bit about engaging David Geier the long-discredited researcher and vaccine skeptic.

    But everyone else are the "complete morons" and you're backing him 100%.

    who I am certain would like a cure for it if possible.

    If you wanted an integral and robust investigation would you use a discredited researcher to head it up?

    Remember, anyone objecting are "complete morons"…..

    It's amazing that it appears to be lefties mainly who have this attitude and yet they tend to be the ones who constantly question people for being opposed to science yet they display this neanderthal attitude themselves when it comes to autism.

    So the lefties are to blame and are "opposed to science" yet the one's in control of this seem to be the one's embodying this "neanderthal attitude" but you're 100% behind it. During confirmation hearings, senators revisited the past comments by RFK Jr. on anti-vaccine rhetoric, unscientific remarks about Black people’s immune systems, and his history of false medical claims.

    RFK Jr. is also currently busy with a measles outbreak; you remember his statements about the measles vaccine and how that was completely discredited as nonsensical and wildly misleading right?

    But tell us again about the "complete morons with neanderthal attitudes".

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,556 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    It's not an illness which is clearly a big surprise to you. Find me any specialist in this area who thinks autism is curable? Can you name anyone credible? Promises of curing autism has led to the abuse of autistic people more than anything.

    The reality is that providing therapy, fiscal and educational supports from childhood and into adulthood is most likely one of the most important things society, sometimes medications will help but you aren't curing it unless you plan to entirely rewrite the human brain.

    Also I'm inclined to say you'd be offending plenty of parents of autistic children if you asked if they'd like a cure for it. Their children might be different and more challenging but they're not suffering from an illness so can't be "cured"....

    And to repeat, RFK has no interest in a 'solution' and doesn't really even understand the topic.

    It's also pretty telling that you seem to be getting annoyed with people for challenging your view with facts… You can't say what the said cure looks like and have ignored that the change in numbers is more to do with diagnostic criteria changing. Autistic people will always be in the population and that's the reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Was out for a couple of post-dinner drinks with the wife earlier. She noticed how many young women dress in short skirts etc compared to her day. She said she wouldn't have the confidence to do it. There was literally one girl out who not alone had her ass cheeks showing, but had strips down the side of the skirt barely holding it all together.

    I'm all for self-confidence but when I see the way young wans dress on nights out, I am not surprised that snapchat and the likes have become so dangerous. There's not a hope I'd let my daughter go out like that, 21st century my ass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,024 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I'll bet it's all totally, completely and entirely different from th mini skirts they wore in from the 60s onward. Apart from the fact they the skirts were very small all along, I'll bet it's entirely different and new and much, much worse nowadays...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,548 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    That Putin was serious dirt on Trump that he’s using



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Calling mental illnesses neurodiversity is the first hurdle in finding causes and cures for them. And it's one of those cases where politics and ideology is preventing scientific progress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Mattyonthepatty


    Trump Derangement Syndrome is a real illness without any cure.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,597 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Conservatism is just a mass grift to widen inequality, spread suffering and keep people oppressed.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭cms88


    Whatever about finding a cure etc as it's very unlikely some of what you sau is true.

    Some people with very mild forms of autsim etc are loving the fact they can cash in on it. I've been told by people in the field parents will do almost anything to have a child diagnosed with anything nowadays in an attempt to cash in. Before anyone says no parent would ever do that that they most definitely would.



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