Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

Why would Muslim women be "de facto excluded" from swimming pools?

There is elements of the religion that preclude them from swimming with men full stop.

Alternatively not all Muslim men or women adhere to Islam or at least strictly do.

But to answer your question IMO, no one should be excluded from anywhere.

'No one should be excluded from anywhere'...

Guess you view Safeguarding policies as tyrannical exclusionary gatekeeping.

Think before you type such utter codswallop.

But to answer your question IMO, no one should be excluded from anywhere.

No one? not even those who are persecuted? those who are predatory? What kind of nonsense are you spouting?

Trouble is since the 70s the world has become increasingly more "complicated". There has been an effort in the last few decades to overwrite common sense and knowledge in the name of allowing a select few individuals to feel better about themselves. (A man can be a women and vice versa). No more is the way of just saying NO to these things.

The fact that any sport at any level allowed this is proof of the above.

Clearly talking about based on religion.

Think before you type such utter codswallop.

That is great advice.

Ok, so then when you said the below in reply to the quote:

Will they now be obliged to provide eight changing areas, ie M, F, TM, TF, M disabled, F disabled, TM disabled, TF disabled? If they don’t, are they leaving themselves open to a case for discrimination?

As I understand it, they are not obliged at all.

I can see this ruling just accelerating businesses and organisations using one mixed space changing area with cubicles, and provision for disability.

We will all go the way of the likes of Germany and the Scandinavian countries who are not burdened by the religious shame of their bodies.

… you didn't mean that there would be one mixed space at all? You meant something else??

Because the exchange with @plodder suggests otherwise:

"Show me an example of an open mixed sex changing room (not gender neutral individual cubicles) in Germany, that the general public are likely to encounter"

Your reply was to ask if he'd never gone to a swimming pool there, and that you'd had an awkward experience in Stuttgart

Not from my experience. I remember my first time in Stuttgart which was quite an eye opener for a repressed catholic.

Never stared at a point on a wall so hard for so long as I wriggled out of my clothes in a constricted towel.

So unless, despite your embarrassment you chose to change in front of women, you're clearly saying that there weren't single sex cubicles - or at any rate not more than one or two, ie for the disabled.

So why are you now saying "Use one of the cubicles then"? Were there no cubicles in Stuttgart or why did you need to stare at the wall?

And to get back to the question of Muslim women, how many single cubicles would be needed for any Muslim or other religious women to be certain they would have no problem finding one available when they went for a swim?

Although going by your comment above about the Darlington nurses, you think religious women are "God-bothering bigots", so maybe that's the real answer? Exclusion is fine when it affects "god-bothering bigots"? Does that include Allah-bothering bigots?

You are completely over thinking it.

Mixed dressing rooms work perfectly fine all over the continent and will grow in popularity in the UK and here.

People need to stop over sexualising everything.

I know you did.

The original author offers no citation for his figures and he has a history of making shít up.

The "article" is also 7 years old.

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest mixed space changing areas are more dangerous than anywhere else.

Another strawman designed to whip up fear mongering.

Three different pieces about three different situations in which it is has been admitted by those responsible that women are at risk in mixed sex spaces, and yes they do provide evidence - and still you think that it's not worth being concerned about.

The second, about sports facilities is from 2024 by the way, and the third, about mixed sex wards in hospitals is from 2023. Not that I imagine male abusers have changed much between 2018 and 2023/2024 - but you seem to.

Unless you think a Freedom of Information request (which you could request yourself if you had any reason to think they were lying about that) and quotes from elected politicians about the information received doesn't count - in which case, what level of evidence would it take to convince you?

And what is your evidence that all of those sources are wrong, or the journalists are lying? All I can see in your argument is "But Germany…" - which, unless you can provide figures that sexual assaults are far lower in Germany than in the UK, is no evidence at all.

He didn't publish the FOI's.

He came up with a number which he attributed to "councils"

The second article used the same non cited evidence.

The 3rd article is about mental health facilities, how that relevant is a genuine mystery.

If mixed changed areas were such a cause of deviancy you would have far more than one 7 year old vague article from a journalist with a history of making shít up.

It's almost like these changing areas throughout a whole continent are not 100% uniform.

the other lot in 2023 by completely different people, the Women's Rights Network.

So you didn't actual read the report you linked to?

They are the exact same figures with citation given to the Times Article.

I'll leave you to your self fear mongering.

You are completely over thinking it.

Mixed dressing rooms work perfectly fine all over the continent and will grow in popularity in the UK and here.

I did some googling (not oogling now) on this and it seems mixed changing rooms are common enough with German saunas. Though a lot of references are at pains to point out that single sex facilities are commonly available for those who want them. Finland, where the sauna was invented tends more to sex segregated saunas. So, the continent is not all the same.

And, I'm not sure your prediction will come to pass either. I think it's well documented that younger generations are a lot more prudish about nudity in locker rooms, than the oldies.

People need to stop over sexualising everything.

This reminds me a lot of that line where lesbians who don't want to date "lesbian" trans women (ie heterosexual but cross-dressing men) are told to overcome their transphobia and "stop obsessing about genitals". While there is a certain unavoidable logic to it if you believe that gender matters more than sex, it is still the single craziest thing in the whole sh!t show and it's no wonder that the campaign in the UK has so many prominent lesbians involved.

Specific to the harassment "stats" - but you know what.

Also who in the name of God are these Womens Rights Network?

Their "report" is basically advocation for Women only swimming pools, etc.

Are the rights they want from the 1940s or way before?

Since Victorian times women and girls have been able to enjoy female-only swimmingsessions and changing facilities. Until recently it was a given that women and girls could haveaccess to their own swim sessions, and there are numerous reasons why women and girlsseek out female-only sessions:●

The freedom to exercise away from the male gaze;

Who are these absolute archaic loony tunes?

Maybe Dinosaurs like, ehh, Swim England?

Not sure of the exact date this was published, but definitely 21st Century.

https://www.swimming.org/assets/frontier-two-resources/Guide-to-engaging-Muslim-women-in-swimming.pdf

But of course we already know that you think Muslim women are Allah-Bothering bigots who should have no right to swim unless they're happy to have men watching them as they change or shower.

More God-bothering bigots/Victorian loony tunes here - in 2023:

The Muslim Women in Sport report found:

• 43% of Muslim women do not think current sports facilities are appropriate to them.

The report says areas which prevent participation include: religious/cultural barriers, the lack of women-only spaces or facilities,…

The research also found that the lack of women-only spaces was a predominant barrier that was preventing women - 65% surveyed said "no" when asked if they were aware of any women's-only events, while 80% said they would be likely to attend women's only sports sessions if they were available.

In fact I get the impression that your inclusivity isn't actually terribly inclusive. It only includes people you approve of.