Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

In 2019 the cso made a population projection that by 2036 the population of Ireland would reach three different totals given high, medium and low migration M1 = high net migration of 30k per annum M2 = medium net migration of 20k per annum and M3 low net migration of 10k per annum. By the cso figures of 2024 the year to April we have surpassed the low M3 figure of total population of 5.33 million predicted for the year 2032. the M2 figure of 5.57 million for 2032 will be surpassed very soon. Bearing in mind net natural population growth which is much easier to predict given data on age and predicted birthrate is not suppose to reach the minus levels until around 2047 and then it is the single figure thousands it seems unlikely unless there is a massive recession and net migration turns to net emigration (there was not one year of predicted net outward immigration). In fact the predictions in 2016 have overestimated our fertility rate. Net population increase is driven more by migration. If there is a recession though none of us will have to worry however given we have increased government spending by 50 billion in the past 6 years when/if a recession hits us we are all well and truly goosed. That will be a test of integration and social cohesion. Our social welfare supports for the rental market our social welfare payments and our public services for an aging population not to mention the pension crisis. We wont be spending 8 billion on housing or 2 billion on refugees.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-rpp/regionalpopulationprojections2017-2036/regionalpopulationprojectionsresultsoverview/

"The wildly racist Great Replacement Theory seems to have taken hold with people who seem unwilling to fact-check and possibly have a higher than usual quantity of gullibility genes (not you obviously) and have led to a large number of racist murders and mass shootings of non-natives. The USA circa 1900 held the widespread belief that the white population were soon to be replaced by immigrant Chinese & Japanese. How did that work out?

Historical fact shows that the only replacing we've actually been witness to have been the white colonising of the USA, Brazil, Australia, Argentina, Colombia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Cuba, Peru, Bolivia and others where they've taken over from the native population. Do you approve of that 19th century resource-grab and widespread genocide.

The current theory is a long-debunked one, but hey, enough of me, have a read of what the WP has to say."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/17/great-replacement-theory-is-ignorant-both-broadly-narrowly/

Had to argue with that logic. I will resist the baiting there. Yes we get it diversity is our strength. Native Irish live with unearned privilege. The Irish emigrated to the 4 corners of the world - The Native Americans saved us from the Famine with their go fund me. Immigration officials at the airport are "Trumpian" etc. etc.

I think you hit all talking points there though.

1. All White people are racist colonizers who get what they deserve.
2. They are low IQ with gullibility genes for questioning immigration and demographic change. If they do that they are conspiracy theorists and obviously racist.

Your guesswork or the very detailed and clear empirical research by the CSO? Hmnnn, which shall I rely upon?

Replacement Theory is dumb, not happening now nor ever will and the most basic of educations helps recognise that. Please read this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/17/great-replacement-theory-is-ignorant-both-broadly-narrowly/

Quoted above already, 8% and 9% (for Irish and non-Irish). You then have student, children and retiree numbers.

More non-Irish that Irish in work and contributing. Are you going to thank them for their contributions to our state and any receipt of cash you get from the state?

Pihlip Bump's opinion pieces are just that, opinion pieces.

Replacement of ethnic populations is happening, whether a conspiracy or a theory, only time will tell. Towns in other EU countries and the UK have all experienced it, to claim it isn't happening, is a denial of reality.

But whether by design, as some big sinister plan or just natural migration, will only be known when retrospective studies are carried out in the future.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/a-mallorca-director-a-disbarred-us-broker-and-a-multi-million-deal-to-house-asylum-seekers-in-a-tipperary-manor/a1578512248.html

I know many don't like links to Gript or to Nick Delehanty X account.

So here we have the main stream media finally reporting on shady deals within the Ipas system and how a 3 month old buisness with an owner from an apartment in Mallorca and with value of a whopping €120 happens to get a multi million Euro deal to run an ipas centre in Dundrum, Co.Tipperary.

This is mental stuff.

Whatever your thoughts on immigration of any kind, this sort of deal, and the lack of transparency just stinks

Articles like that - which are very much in the public interest are behind a paywall. Colour me shocked.

But again this is conflating. Asylum seekers with Immigrants .

What are the percentages of asylum seekers who for obvious reasons may not be paying tax vs immigrants who come here to work , many with qualifications trades and well.paying jobs already organized ?

Go ahead and counteract his research and statistics.

You claimed that all asylum seekers have little or no English. I'm still awaiting your source on this and must query what you are basing this statement on.

In terms of asylum seekers contributing taxation the examples are legion and you only have to engage with people within the HSE or

Here's a dentist in Cork.

Here's a professional athlete, and Irish record-holder, in Dublin.

Here's a doctor in Laois.

Here's a lawyer from Meath.

The CSO don't do statistics for such a niche part of the population, the subject matter too small for expenditure on such rigorous research. And I'm sure the above individuals, and many more in education and work, would welcome your thanks for their contributions to any benefits or pension you may receive. Who here gives as much as them?

Not interested in replacement theory but took a look

‘Great replacement theory’ is ignorant both broadly and narrowly

Far more Americans are born each year than are naturalized

What's the link got to do with Ireland?

Is this theory an Irish or global one?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123369811#Comment_123369811Cherry picked good news refugee stories, here as some cold hard figures from a refugee quango inar. Doesn't include those on disability allowance.

For example, Western Europeans recorded the lowest unemployment rate (French, 7%, Germans, 8%, Italians 9%) followed by Eastern Europeans; Black Africans recorded the highest unemployment rate at over five times that of Western Europeans at 42.3% (Nigerians 43%, Congolese 63%).

https://inar.ie

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