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Why do supermarkets still sell rinse aid and salt but not dishwasher powder?

  • 17-04-2025 11:27AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,053 ✭✭✭✭


    Question as in the thread title. I use to be able to buy a yellow plastic bottle of Finish powder but nobody (Dunnes, SV & Tesco) seems to stock it any more. Yet they all stock rinse aid and dishwasher salt 🙄

    I rinse and scrape all of the dishes before loading the dishwasher so a quick eco cycle does the job but an all in one tablet will only get half used and there is a gooey mess left behind in the detergent container. We have soft water so I don't need salt and I can live without rinse aid so a small dose of powder is what I need for a cycle but nobody sells it any more.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,607 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    Just use baking soda. If you’re cleaning the residue beforehand and you have soft water then it’ll be fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,176 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,792 ✭✭✭beachhead


    Add another cleaning aid to this discussion: Why have supermarkets stopped selling pure soap flakes? Great for gentle washing(machine & hand) of delicates-materials like wool,silk etc Better for the environment and those with sensitive skin.LUX was one famous brand.Don't want to trot off to Amazon to buy similar.Available in liquid form as well.Anyone know where for either?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,617 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Just fyi, you're not meant to rinse stuff before it goes in the dishwasher, the detergent is designed to adhere to the food residue. You're just wasting water and potentially reducing the efficacy of your dishwasher. Obviously something that dries to cement like porridge is the exception, but generally, there's absolutely zero need to rinse.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,543 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    Lidl still sell what they call "Classic" dishwasher tabs with no salt or rinse-aid. They also still sell the salt and rinse-aid separately too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,053 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    A full cycle in my (Bosch) dishwasher uses a whole tablet and takes two hours. By rinsing and scraping the plates, I can get a load cleaned with a 40 minute eco cycle which requires only a half dose of powder. So thanks for the advice concerning efficacy and saving water but I think I'm sorted on that front.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,617 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,053 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    Thanks but the problem I have with tablets of any kind is that they contain too much detergent for my short cycle. I'd still end up with a gooey mess in the detergent container.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Buffman


    Seems to be still available online in more industrial quantities but if you don't want the hassle maybe try breaking/cutting a tablet in half for a half dose and see if that's any better.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    I used to be a supermarket buyer back in the day. To answer your question, there are too many products and sub-products in this category, so buyers typically rely on sales reports. They identify what's selling and discontinue anything that isn't to optimise shelf space. For convenience, 9 out of 10 people use dishwasher tablets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,447 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Mr. Price might do powder come to think of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,394 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    don't put the tablet in the dispenser, just feck it into the bottom of the machine.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,866 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    I didn’t expect to hop into hobbies and recreation and discover a discussion on dishwashers 😀

    OP. In a nutshell, my guess is packaging, handling, storage, and transport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,691 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    you try any other cycles? should be a quick one that gets hot enough to dissolve the tablet.

    that's very quick for eco, mine takes 3hrs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,053 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    That makes sense but my question still stands - why do they still stock rinse aid and dishwasher salt if almost everyone is using the all in one tablets?

    The people who buy rinse aid and salt - what are they using as a cleaning agent? Maybe the Lidl tablets mentioned by Alun in post #6?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    I am like you, I tend to just do a short eco cycle. I noticed I could not find the Finish powder anywhere either. I resorted to throwing half a tablet in the bottom of the dishwasher instead, it seems to work OK, no residue left behind. I am now using these Dunnes pod things, they contain powder inside the pod as opposed to a hard tablet, working well for me on an eco cycle in the washer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,981 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Depends on your water - if you've hard water you may need more salt than the tablet. We did, until we started treating the water from the well. I think it's the same logic with Rinse Aid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,600 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Book yerselves a trip to France. Dishwasher powder still available in supermarkets here, in sensible quantities for regular users.

    Side note: the all-in-one pods are a con, partly for the reason given by the OP. Will post a link to a good explanatory video later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,053 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    B&Q have a 1 kg bottle of dishwasher powder for €8. I bought a couple the other day.

    Still curious as to why the major supermarkets sell rinse aid and dishwasher salt but not plain tablets or powder. The container in B&Q is very similar to the old yellow Finish 1 kg powder bottle which have disappeared off the shelves.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,981 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    As I said - if you've hard water, you may need an all in one tablet and salt and rinse aid. We never really bothered with the rinse aid, but did have to add salt. We'd end up with grit when the salt was out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭witchgirl26


    Don't do this. The bottom of a dishwasher fills with water to do a rinse prior to the actual washing. This water then flows out before the tablet drawer is opened & the actual wash starts. By putting something in the bottom of the machine at the beginning, you might not get much of the detergent actually involved in the washing part because it'll have been washed away during the initial rinse cycle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,237 ✭✭✭Deeec


    I use tablets but also put in rinse aid now and again. I find the machine works better. Dishes come out better when rinse aid is used.

    I was also told by a repair guy that I still should be adding salt to the dishwasher a few times a year as he reckons the tablets don't contain enough. I do this but don't know if it makes any difference. He thinks it prolongs the machine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,053 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    I get what you're saying - if you have really hard water, you might need additional salt, even with the all in one tablets.

    That would explain why you can still buy salt but not basic dishwasher powder or tablets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭lucalux


    I'm amazed at people not using salt and/or rinse aid!

    I live in a hard water area and top up the salt regularly, rinse aid definitely helps with residue and drying

    The powder is genuinely better than tabs/pods, but is so much harder to find i agree, more economical too

    I watched a verrry in-depth breakdown on dishwashers on YT which reasoned out why the powder was better, surprisingly interesting!

    My dw doesn't open the compartment for the tablet, it's 20 years old or so, so I've to wait until the rinse cycle is done and the dw has switched to Wash, then I throw the tab in at the bottom

    Throwing it in at the start is literally pouring it down the drain!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,600 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    I watched a verrry in-depth breakdown on dishwashers on YT which reasoned out why the powder was better, surprisingly interesting!

    Possibly this one? The link I promised earlier. Info about detergents starts at 8m12s. I'd forgotten that he also reminds us (at 23m27s) that rinse-aid and salt are essential for allowing the machine to do it's work properly, especially as the pods cannot effectively or efficiently replicate their action.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,296 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I can see a trip to B&Q in the offing for that powder - I have an issue with a 40cm dishwasher on incredibly soft water - a tablet is far, far, far too much and leaves the dishes smelling of detergent; and I've been looking for old fashioned powder for a while.

    Don't use salt there because it's completely pointless; whereas in my normal hyper hard water area it's absolutely essential.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭lucalux


    Yes! I knew someone was bound to know it, I had missed your mention of it up thread.. He's fantastic

    I think this is the one where he goes further in-depth about detergents, but I can't check as my phone's struggling to multitasking..

    The prewash divot is interesting, he reminded me of our first dishwasher at home in the 90's

    We'd pour some powder into the divot beside the detergent compartment, which, when you closed the door went into the prewash mix.. So handy for an intensive wash if you need it, but impossible with tabs/pods



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭cobham


    Interesting thread here, another one who misses the bags of powder. I used to decant bags of it into plastic bottles so saved on plastic. I gave up looking for them and just use simplest tablets from Aldi/Lidl. Soft water here too so no need for salt or rinse aid.

    As an aside I saw someone recommend runnning clothes washing machine at 60degree (no clothes) with one d w tablet to give inside a good clean.

    Someone asked about handwash detergent? I use a bottle of handwash liquid Tesco ownbrand as I still handwash some items. I still get boxes of laundry detergent. I resent that I must use a standard amount for every wash as with the pod things.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,176 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    do the pods not create micro plastics when they "dissolve"

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