Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

Of course I'm aware of the court. Courts do not make policy.

Ireland voluntarily signed up to the migration pact, voluntarily.

Ireland also signed up for the EU and the freedom of movement of people. Ireland did. Is there an issue with EU citizens also?

The ECHR has nothing to do with the EU and is there to interpret the European Convention on Human Rights. Human rights, not domestic policy.

I assume you're aware that there can't be statistics for decisions not made, yes? The current rate is more than 80%.

There are no literacy rates for refugees, the reason given in the UNESCO/UNHCR report I attached above with the link to the relevant pages. That clarifies the difficulty in compiling. Might be worth your time putting pressure on your local TD and/or the Ministry of Justice to commission such research.

In terms of employment non-Irish are proportionately more likely to be in work than native Irish as per several posts above.

Congratulations to the owners of Utmasta. From being formed in January this year to being awarded a multi million euro contract in April to house 277 AS/IPAs at Dundrum House hotel.

A meteoric rise in little over four months. Surefire startup of the year winners.

Yet another falsehood. And very easily demonstrably so. There are THREE projections for population growth via births and inward migration. The figure of 7m is just ONE of them.

Are you aware that the largest cohort of migrants to Ireland are returning Irish? Followed by UK nationals, obviously including those from Northern Ireland.

Where is the statement that native Irish will be 2.6m? Please point it out in the CSO report below.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-plfp/populationandlabourforceprojections2023-2057/populationprojectionsresults/

TThere are a lot of posts here that just assume something is fact because someone else posted it. Google search, without any links to actual serious reports, is meaningless.

You got the wrong poster.

I guess you would regard the Afrikaners of South Africa as ethnic African's?

Afrikaners, also known as Boers, are an ethnic group in South Africa descended from predominantly Dutch settlers who first arrived at the Cape of Good Hope in 1652.

You seem to have something against the notion of Irish ethnicity. Here's a brief study on ethnicity.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK24684/

And one specifically referring to Irish ethnicity and health.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19626503/

If for example, a drug was developed to target and kill all ethnic Irish, I would expect the term would still persist for a while and an ethnic African Irish citizen would still be medically treated as an ethnic African.

These terms have medical meaning and implications. For example, skin tones can affect pulse oximetry readings etc. So while nationalities can change, ethnicity, which has evolved over millennium when travel was not so trivial, is currently not so quick to change.

I really wish you would contact Simon Harris, Micheal Martin and Helen McEntee and explain to them that they are in charge of Ireland's immigration and that we have no INTERNATIONAL LEGAL OBLIGATIONS. At every turn we were told we had legal obligations in every debate until it was supplemented with MORAL obligations. Remarkable given we signed up to said treaties in the 1950s when asylum looked like a very different process and was mainly about european asylum seekers post WW2. Can you tell me how the pact is going to change anything we do given the Dublin III regulation was not applied across states and most states in europe are now doing the exact oppostite of Ireland and curbing immigration. I've already explained to you that we are bound by the EU reception conditions directive which is the reason there was a challenge against conditions for asylum seekers in ireland and an opinion was sought. Can you explain if ireland has a secure border how thousands of people are landing at the IPO without any documentation or any record of entering the state. And given the white paper ending direct provision in 2021 had a predicted 3500 IPAS applicants and the new European pact has now us taking what ministers are saying is likely a minimum of 13,000 applicants a year with planning to accomadate up to 33,000 yearly. Who agreed to that remarkable shift from 3,500 to a minimum of 13,000 or the incredible scope of 33,000. Il also ask you for the 4 th time where are the 33,000 asylum seekers in IPAS going to live when they leave state accomadation. Where will their families live when they are reunited and where are the additional 13,000 that come this year going to live? That's 46,000 ipas applicants the state will be housing this year. Where will they live when the tax payer stops paying for them? That's a lot of money for wealthy landlords and the legal elite who process and appeal the vast majoirty of rejections.

We are signatories to the Geneva convention, which we adopted into our domestic legislation ourselves.

The State have already conceded that they did not meet the applicants entitlements. But they opposed the claims for damages, claiming the failure arise from a Force Majeure situation. Our own High Court then asked the question from CJEU

where a force majeure defence could be available in principle, the question remained as to whether it could be used where inviolable rights under the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the EU are concerned, in this case, Article 1 on human dignity. Furthermore, that the parameters for such a defence are unclear.

A legal question.

Not sure what you're asking about a secure border? Ireland controls it's border, people are legally entitled to claim asylum, so your statement about that makes no sense.

As for housing, we know there's a crisis in this country and I have stated numerous times that the government needed to build houses and lots of them, asap.

As for the EU pact etc, Ireland signed up voluntarily. I think it's fair for all EU member states to do their bit.

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Your argument is that Ireland is in control of our borders. I'm saying we cannot limit those who enter our country our government can't stop anyone claiming asylum based on laws that the people of ireland did not vote for. We must grant people the opportunity to claim asylum because we assume they are acting in good faith. In fact we specifically sought in a referendum greater control over our borders. If 50k asylum seekers landed at the IPO office this year because of our international obligations we would be obliged to house and feed them. That would cause unbelievable strain on our services and housing. It's a deeply flawed system. Never mind that the taoiseach and minister for justice are both saying that the vast majoirity are not genuine asylum seekers but economic migrants. The billions spent in the past 3 years are not refunded because the claims are not genuine a cohort of people in ireland get richer off the backs of every tax payer in ireland when we could spend that money on a multitude of essential services for EVERY person in ireland.

Why did the state not meet it's obligations, because we took in over 100k Ukrainians and have the highest number of asylum applicants in Europe per capita nobody could argue that we haven't done our bit but there is no point in exacerbating a housing crisis by trying to be the best boys in Europe.

Il ask again where are we going to house the 46,000 asylum seekers who leave state accomadation and their families add thousands more?

We built 30,000 houses last year. We will not build more this year. Are these families going to pay 2 or 3 grand for rental apartments in dublin are they going to buy houses when they have no money and are fleeing war and poverty?who pays for all of this?

This is just a 15 year forecast. I can only imagine what it'll be in 50 or 100 years. A historic change.

It's not 'a nonsense X account' though- the source for the figures is clearly given on the page, which is directly from the state, see here:

https://www.gov.ie/en/department-of-social-protection/collections/annual-allocations-pps-numbers/

I remember watching an old Louis Theroux documentary where he interviews neo Nazis in the American deep south, and they were always both celebrating the Holocaust, while also denying that it ever happened in the first place

Some of the commenters on this thread have a similar cognitive dissonance: they deny the reality of mass immigration while also saying 'what does it matter?'