Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

So, seems according to the Oughterard says no X account, that the department have decided not to use the local nursing home as an ipas centre. This follows similar quick u-turns around the country in recent weeks. Appears things are changing in the department.

Nobody said it was? This particular crisis is 2/3 years old

It’s not relevant. And It’s not 417m per annum, it’s over 1bn annually now, which was the most recent 2024 cost figure.

I’m not sure if you’re being deliberately dishonest or if you genuinely don’t understand the maths but figures from six years ago before the crisis are not predictive of costs today in the midst of the crisis and going forward.
The costs have gone up in line with the increase in arrivals. Numbers of these people in the system are many multiples of what they were back in 2019 pre crisis, so the year on year costs are going to be much higher.

What are you are saying is like a builder providing costings for materials on an existing project and using the materials costs from 6 years ago for their plans rather than prices today. It wouldn’t make any sense and their plans and costings would be way off.

On the politics of immigration, a big worry was that the issue could be exploited by very nefarious elements.

I think it’s a bit less likely now, the centrist parties here are going with the way the wind is blowing, now they know the public support isn’t there for very high levels of immigration the political support won’t be either.

It’s not rocket science. Trump still has close to 50% approval, largely because he has worked to implement the laws around immigration and a lot of Americans are currently excusing his stupid economic policies.

You obviously did not read the ESRI report I posted and the points alongside it. Two weeks old.:

"As requested, proportionately more immigrants working (and contributing) than native Irish.

77% as opposed to 72%.

485,100 in the labour force and contributing.

If each contributed as little as €5,000 in taxation per annum that's over €2.4 billion per annum. Any native Irish that are unemployed or students or pensioners or on sickness benefits (including possibly some on here) would do well to give them a collective heartfelt thanks."

Who's alarmed though. Very few of the 2,218,295 voters last November it seems.

There is a lot to read there. The years cover a 10 year span and clearly not just the current influx. Moreover, this statement makes me wonder about who is really about. I will have to read further to understand if the data on employment also excludes a significant influx of people. Given that 3% is for protection reasons, it clearly is about legal migrants with skills we need that acquired visas and didn't just rock up. This is what people here are arguing about but you like to conflate the two groups of visa legal migrants and the others. I'll read further the ESRI report. The data set is old.

"Most non-EEA nationals require permission to reside in Ireland, and these permissions can give insights into reasons for migration, though of course they do not include migrants of non-EEA origin who have since become Irish citizens (see Chapter 5).31 Neither do these include those fleeing Ukraine, who were granted residence under the EU Temporary Protection Directive (see Box 1.3), or international protection applicants.32 Figure 1.5 shows all residence permissions held by a non-EEA nationals aged over 16, for the period 2012 to 2023, broken down by residence permission type. In 2023, there were 289,432 people with residence permissions, an increase of 71% on the number in 2021 (169,687). In 2023, most permissions were held for employment reasons (29%), and other reasons (27%), with education reasons (21%), family reasons (19%), and protection reasons (3%) making up the remainder of reasons for permissions held.33"

The data set ain't old. It just doesn't suit your viewpoint.

The information is up to 2024 and was published two weeks ago.

No the data is 2011 to 2023, compiled in 2024 and reported 2 weeks ago.

You asked for data. You got it. It doesn't suit you. Doesn't work that way.

Report includes contemporaneous information including electoral, social and labour development updates. Have a read.

So you date a crisis from Jan/Feb 2022. The time of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Why didn't you state that as the event that created extra cost rather than an increase in people applying for asylum?

Do you dispute the government figure of €2.5bn over 6 years (average €417m PA as per my posted article? Are those figures incoorrect? And why would I dispute €1bn for this year when it's stated in that same article I put up? I'd guess the same for next year and then a decrease in 2027 (barring another international war) as the trend for a reduction in asylum claims continues. As before we can afford it an I think we can house families fleeing war and persecution under our Refugee Convention obligations. I ain't having children dying in their bombed tower-blocks cos we ain't housing them.

Sobering reading from Sweden. Not too worry - next 1000 male asylum seekers to this repurposed field in athlone please. Not to worry about paying for it all, sure the aul corporation tax is as safe as houses!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/13/how-sweden-multi-cultural-dream-went-fatally-wrong/

The anti-immigrant Torygraph, yippee.

And yet, despite problems and with reservations here are the latest records, lowest homicide in a decade.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-recorded-lowest-number-homicides-decade-2024-2025-03-31/

I didn’t do that though? You did. Literally go and read your own posts.

So hang on a second, the numbers of people claiming Asylum from the likes of Nigeria, Algeria, Somalia have multiplied in these years because asylum accommodation is being used for Ukrainians? How does that work? You’ll have to explain that one.

Yep I’ve read the 1951 convention, I think this is the 5th time you’ve asked that, I don’t know what point you think you’re making there - is there even one?

We’re spending billions on it every year now anyway. Glad we’ve established that despite your best efforts to obfuscate.

Yep. Events coincide sometimes.

No actually I never said that or even implied that. Do you often have an issue with misrepresenting things that other people have said? You did that in your last comment also.

The number of people seeking Asylum in Ireland has multiplied in those years. These are people seeking asylum independent of the Russian invasion, from the likes of Nigeria and elsewhere as previously outlined. And the majority of them are not genuine.

My apologies I meant to say over a billion. A billion quid plus, every year for the foreseeable future, at enormous opportunity cost to the state.