Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

Job discrimination is not a stand alone reason to claim asylum one must demonstrate a broader reason . A search on Google shows articles on job discrimination in Ireland for asylum seekers.

I don't think it is fair to assume that at all

the only way to handle it is to consider people who come through the official process ie refugee camps. Anything else is like showing up at a hotel without a booking and expecting everything just to happen. All the people returning to vacation in the home country should have their Irish status revoked as it was gained under false pretences.

Then please point to any article where South African nationals have claimed asylum owing to job discrimination in SA. Or any where SA nationals in Ireland have stated that as the reason why they're here. Should be easy to find. I've been waiting 15 hours for evidence following a spurious claim, happy to wait longer.

I want actions over words. Every few weeks these pieces are rolled out to make it look like the government have a handle on the situation. Ring up their mates, send down a camera crew and reporter,, get a few shots of immigration officers checking id, rinse and repeat so the population feel like the government are doing their job.

If 80% are being rejected on the lacking veracity in their claim then it’s largely NOT being spent on “traumatised” adults and children, compelling as you think your transparent appeal to emotion might be.

Weird that you try to lump in the earlier years before this was a crisis into the spend. Let’s take the most recent figures that are representative of our current reality shall we? Over a billion in 2024 alone, putting people up for no reason because as we’ve established 80% are not genuine. Let’s call it for what it is at this stage, it’s viewed as a soft underbelly to circumvent visa restrictions to gain access to the country. If it wasn’t we wouldn’t be seeing tens of thousands of people chancing their arm when they don’t have a genuine claim.

So go on anyway, if 500,000 turn up to Irish shores next year - you’ll just sit there happily “Oh well we’re obliged so this is fine” 🤷‍♂️

As I said, plenty we can do while while working within the confines of the 1951 convention to disincentivise non genuine applications

Or just keeping buying and renting hotels. Shure we have 14 billion as one person has pointed out… let's try and save as many as we can. Along with the 14 billion, we have the Irish taxpayer, an ATM that never runs out of money.

Are you for real?

This whole thing will contuine until politicians stop gaslighting the public, and that's not related just to immigration either. They are obsessed with power and will do anything to stay there, they don't care for people (either Irish or asylum seeker) and will never comment on anything that they deem will be an impediment to reelection.

This whole immigration saga has been building for years, but even if just this time last year, prior to the local and European elections, if any one party had of softened the language about 'the far right rhetoric' and grasped immigration nettle, they would have been thanked in the polls.

€13 billion actually. Facts eh, who needs 'em. And that's solely from monies owed from previous years. €28 billion collected in corporation tax alone in 2024. There ain't a financial problem offering refuge to those fleeing war.

Yep, I'd recommend that for you also. I'm happy to help crowdfund.

Incidentally what do you think is the REALISTIC response to the government losing a case in the ECJ? They going to ignore it and hope it goes away?

Off to an appointment now so hopefully some credible sources await me on return. Enjoy the sunshine y'all.

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I think our politicians know what way the wind is blowing now, and there are going to be fewer comments about the Famine or the health service relying on immigration, which largely sought to shame and misrepresent people with views based on common sense.

Only an idiot would argue for zero immigration, it'd be absurd and unenforceable. But there does need to be limits, no country should ever be expected to take in a couple of percent of its indigenous population in a year. That's potentially good for owners of multiple properties and business owners who want to minimise wage inflation, but it doesn't work for the vast majority, certainly not for the thousands who can't get homes of their own or for parents who can't get local schools for their kids.

The mad thing is that people all over the world know this, but for many years western countries didn't move on it. It became very hard to say obvious things about immigration. Even now, when you'd struggle to rent a middling house in the most isolated parts of the country, people still don't want to hear the truth.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/plan-to-double-the-number-of-deportations-this-year/a1179259590.html

The winds of change continue but it begs the question why weren't they doing this before. Far far more needs to change.

Damn, it seems that the new German government hasn't got the memo from those who say there's nothing to do when any country won't accept it's citizens being deported back there from Germany. They've threatened to cut foreign aid to them if they don't.

They want to redirect foreign aid to help mothers who have taken time off work and also fund a drop in VAT for restaurants among other schemes.

They also want to put an end to turbo-naturalisation - allowing certain migrant groups to be given citizenship after three years, as well as suspending family reunification for two years. I wonder what their response to pressure groups who tell them they can't do this, maybe Wir Schaffen Das?