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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Wow, Asian markets are opening and the Japanese stock market is down nearly 9% right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,017 ✭✭✭✭briany


    More lies in the Trump cacophony of lies.

    However, as Sam Harris pointed out recently, Trump's lies are not designed to convince anyone, or if anyone IS convinced of them, that's only incidental. The real point of them is to sow chaos, to produce a kind of psychological numbness, and so much noise that the actual truth starts not to matter.

    I'm not saying this is something Trump is consciously doing - he's been doing this long before he got into politics - but thinkers and strategists behind MAGA would definitely recognise the power of his bullhorn and crucially that he has many followers who are eager to repeat his lies, seemingly delighting in the dismay and frustration they produce in the other side.

    This is post-truth as they call it, and a necessary precursor to the implementation of authoritarianism was people look for order out of chaos, the authoritarian can then reshape the truth to their liking, and this is what we're seeing happen in the US in real time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,350 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Honestly this has been my position for years, people should be voting for the most boring mundane technocrat available. Voting for personalities always leads to disaster. I want an empty suit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,350 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I am in Japan coincidentally. I decided to buy a washlet (best toilets in the world) and anything else I could think of wanting from Japan over the next four years. I wonder would a Prius battery pack fit in checked luggage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 740 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    Trump currently has a net approval rating of -12. A lot of Trump voters seem to be experiencing buyers remorse now, but they only have their own stupidity to blame.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    So he's saying countries will have to pay a lot of money to have the tariffs removed. Why would any company move production back to the US when they could be removed at any time.. It's all so idiotic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    I think the time has come for serious thought on what to do about him.

    It's now clear a lot of his supporters are realising he isn't the God they thought he is.

    I see a massive rebellion coming, looking at the protests in the states that took place, this is going to ramp up.

    What does it take to beging impeachment proceedings? From there what does it take to remove a president from office?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,666 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    It’s beginning to look like a large sovereign is dumping US treasury bonds which has the potential to cause economic carnage. Worth noting that China owns close to 30% of US debt. We’ve never really had a situation where US bonds suffer a collapse in the midst of major economic uncertainty, they are usually a safe haven for investors. Worth keeping an eye on, the US banking system could have a liquidity crisis fairly sharpish. Particularly at a regional level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,469 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    What does it take to beging impeachment proceedings? From there what does it take to remove a president from office?

    It requires a Congress with a spine. I wouldn't hold my breath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,469 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    No need for scaremongering. The reality is bad enough.

    China owns about 2.6% of US debt. And that's not the Chinese government; it's all holders of US debt in China, government and private.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,805 ✭✭✭✭8-10




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,816 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Even then, a successful impeachment would most likely result in Vance taking over. And as we all know, he’s no better. I think nothing less than a coup or civil war can stop the madness at this stage!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 899 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Don't worry. Trump will be forced to stop this madness. The stock market is bread and butter to Americans. Watching their investments go down the toilet will probably put massive pressure on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,035 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    How will he forced to stop it?

    What can anyone possibly do to him to stop it?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,439 ✭✭✭circadian


    I guess that depends on how much he buys his own bullshit of a little pain before things get better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,048 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Why didn't Trump, the greatest negotiator even apparently, not negotiate before launching all his weapons?

    No. Instead he took the tough man approach, punched the world in the face and expected the world to cower before him and run to him to save themselves.

    So many problems with that approach but chief among them is that nobody has any trust in Trump. Even his own supporters constantly say you can't believe what he says.

    On top of that, his row back on tariffs on Canada & Mexico, his failure to stand up to Putin when Putin has clearly pulled his pants down, his fawning over Netanyahu. It all shows Trump to be untrustworthy.

    Finally, the farce of the calculation of tariffs shows that Trump is both lazy and stupid. This is all just a gameshow to him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,230 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Trump has already been impeached twice.

    US politicians are too corrupt to stop the kleptocrats. The billionaires backing Trump have likely been shorting the markets and will make a killing from the crash, just like Putins oligarchs did

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,458 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Unless he personally feels that pain, it matters not. Sadly, I don't think he will see it the way everyone else does. He'll cut a deal with a few inconsequential minnows and maybe one or two larger players like the UK to claim victory. The rest of the world will look back in abhorrance until a new world order can be established. Hopefully one with wider trading outside of the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,913 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Putin is probably one of the insider readers. Crash the market there Donnie we'll make a mint.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,040 ✭✭✭Dr Turk Turkelton


    On a more serious note has the White House released details yet of how he finished in his golf club championship finals yesterday?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,035 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Apparently, it was a tie between Trump and another, at the Trump Open, at a Trump course.

    They've probably realized people are laughing at how he always managed to "win" despite every video of him golfing makes him third rate....

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,925 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Yeah, I do wonder where he finished in the one person competition



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,035 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Vance's "popularity" doesn't exist.

    His followers won't show up to a rally like Trump's will.

    He is only more dangerous in the sense that he is younger and hasn't served two terms yet.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Bloodbath in the markets all round the world today.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    It would be mildly amusing for the EU to retaliate at 19% and have Ursula von Der Leyen hold up a poster with "Tariffs Charged to the EU" , "EU Discounted Reciprocal Tariffs" and one entry on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    No doubt you'll also see the usual spin using the mathematics skew of a recovery versus a drop at some point too if and when things manage to turn

    Like the S&P 500 on Friday

    • Opened at 5396.52
    • Closed at 5074.08
    • Drop of 5.97%

    If we had a flip today and a recovery

    • Opened at 5074.08
    • Closed at 5396.52
    • Increase of 6.35%

    So you can recover your losses and be back to the exact same starting point and percentage wise you're actually up from the amount that was lost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,326 ✭✭✭Field east


    I would have to go to the Oxford Dictionary as a first move and I probably would not find the word that I would be looking for. Probably will be in it next year when someone creates it!!!!!!!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,040 ✭✭✭Dr Turk Turkelton


    The only video I've seen of him playing golf was the one with Bryson deChambue and to be fair to him he definitely wasn't 3rd rate.

    Unfortunately that's the only good thing I can say about him.



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