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What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Note in Post #3372**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    There should be a legal abortion option available for men, if women are allowed to terminate a pregnancy because they don't want to have a child a man should be able to do avoid his responsibility if he wants to.

    It takes 2 people to create a child so both should have the same options available to them, a man shouldn't have to be lumbered with paying for a child he doesn't want.

    It may not be the nice thing or the gentlemanly thing to do but the option should be available to men.

    Post edited by Jack Daw on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Frost Spice


    Don't be bonkers level dishonest about taking care of children.

    It's parent and child space too - not just mother and child.

    I'm mint.

    🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,374 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    It is.

    Men do avoid their responsibility everyday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭CardF


    what about equality.

    i didnt make people have kids. and now im a 2nd class citizen.

    Bailey had a “borderline personality” based on “narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition”.

    Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Legally they don't though.

    I'm sure there are loads of men who've never wanted a child with a woman and have been forced to pay child support for years for a child they never wanted.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,374 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Legally they absolutely do.

    Show me the legislation that forces men to take responsibility for a child they have fathered.

    Men leave everyday, nothing forces them to take responsibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,208 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Plenty of men walk away from their born children, too.

    State pension is OK if you own your own home and have no debts when you retire, a lot of the homes older people live in are very energy inefficient though - but there is now a scheme to get them upgraded - but fear of big winter bills is ingrained. People who are pensioners now remember the energy crises of the 1970s all too well.

    Most of us who have a decent standard of living while working would like to retain that when we retire - to be able to travel, have private health insurance, own a car that isn't falling apart, etc. and the state pension doesn't really provide for these things (free travel on the island of Ireland excepted!)

    Also, it's understandable to worry about poverty in old age - it seems to be ingrained in us as a people but until at least the 1990s when the country became somewhat richer, it was no joke. Charities like ALONE and VdP would find older people living in the most appalling conditions. Until then it was expected that older people would have support from their children or other family if they fell on hard times. The state pension was greatly increased during the Bertie era, buying votes perhaps but also recognising that the state should no longer permit older people to fall into poverty.

    The shít is really going to hit the fan though when the rental generation reach retirement.

    If you start a private pension it is of course investing in concrete things. Stocks, property funds, etc. etc. it's important to get in as young as you can as compound interest will magnify the effect of your contributions. If your employer will match your contributions then all the better. The state pension is vulnerable to demographic pressures but private pensions investing in stocks, property etc. are not.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,208 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Do you complain about disabled parking spaces too? They get all the best spots near the door… 🙄

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,208 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Why didn't they use a condom or have a vasectomy?

    There's no child support agency in Ireland. Imagine the uproar if there was.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,208 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Mr A and Mr B could have had a wánk, or used a johnny, or had a vasectomy, but they didn't - they chose to jizz into a fertile woman so they must have known that she might become pregnant?

    Big, big difference between walking away from an abortion (bad enough - which many men did, and do - they should have paid at least half) and walking away from a child who requires many years of support and care.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭CardF


    they didnt choose to be disabled.

    the able bodied started out equal, then one of them made a baby, and now theyre more entitled.

    even though family status is a category of discrimination. equality is all the bits i like and none of the bits i dont.

    Bailey had a “borderline personality” based on “narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition”.

    Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,208 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It's a thing which owners of private property (supermarkets and the like) choose to do. Who are you to tell them that they can't?

    I humbly suggest that you get the living fûck over it.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭CardF


    *parks in discriminatory 'parent and child' space.

    Bailey had a “borderline personality” based on “narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition”.

    Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭New Scottman


    neither pregnancy was planned

    They were young & thought these things only happened to other people.

    Mr A was lucky that his girlfriend felt the same way as him. Mr B felt the same way too but his girlfriend didn’t so she overruled him - her choice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Why didn't the woman use contraception aswell?

    When a baby is created 2 people are responsible for creating it yet only 1 has the option to remove responsibility for life, they both should have that option.

    Also it's trendy to blame dead beat dads who get a load of different women pregnant (and that's fair enough) but it's not generally acceptable to publicly point out how stupid women are for allowing these irresponsible dipsticks to get them pregnant.Fact is a lot of women who allowed themselves to get pregnant by the types of men are idiots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,208 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Tough shít on Mr B but Mr A could have ended up in exactly the same situation.

    If you no want, you no want, you no want, no more pickney then rubber up or get snipped, don't let the woman shoulder the entire responsibility of protecting you from your actions

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,208 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    How do you know that she didn't? it doesn't work 100% you know. One person is literally left holding the baby and the other one can eff off and face no consequences whatsoever - unless he married her and then wants a separation, he can be forced to provide for his progeny then.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,208 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Isn't it funny how all of these incel types want to be able to shag women bareback without consequences, and then walk away if she gets pregnant.

    They have a fúcking shítload of growing up to do.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭CardF


    see that would be actual equality.

    not the *wink *wink ""equality"" that we know and hear so much about.

    Bailey had a “borderline personality” based on “narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition”.

    Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,208 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I suggest that you withold your essence until the law is reformed to your desire.

    "I do not avoid women, Mandrake, but I do deny them my essence."

    It's important to protect the integrity of all of our vital bodily fluids.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    You just said it was the man who didn't use a condom , I responded in kind.

    2 people are responsible for a baby being created not 1 , so they should bear equal responsibility for it's creation.

    They should also have equal opportunity to dodge responsibility.

    If the woman can do that by having an abortion, a man should be allowed to have a legal/paper abortion if he doesn't want to be responsible in any way for a baby.

    It wouldn't be a nice thing to do but the option should still be available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,374 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    When a baby is created 2 people are responsible for creating it yet only 1 has the option to remove responsibility for life, they both should have that option.

    Nonsense. No one and no law forces any man to be responsible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭CardF


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    ladies first and always.

    Bailey had a “borderline personality” based on “narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition”.

    Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    My controversial opinion.

    Dogs and cats are lovely animals and should be treated well.

    However, I'm sick of people saying they love their dog more than any human etc. I'm meeting more and more people who treat people like sh*t, and treat their pets the way they should treat people.

    You can have a lovely 'relationship' with a pet, an animal, but it has only a fraction of the possibilities a relationship with a partner, a family member or friend offers.

    'Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? A nation turns It's lonely eyes to you.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Men can be forced to pay for child support, have their salary garnished etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    I'd choose my dog over the vast majority of people on the planet, I know my dog I don't know 99.9% of people on the planet.

    Also some people don't need deep and meaningful relationships with many other people just a couple of close friends that you see every now and then and then a dog can provide a basic level of companionship on a day to day basis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,374 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Men can dissappear and be responsible for nothing. There is no law that says a man has to be responsible for a child.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,771 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    I got to say while I get the standard of life argument, I would just say that if you can afford a private pension that is going to maintain your lifestyle in old age, then the chances are you own your own home.

    There are some cases where it would be a good insurance plan for example if an ugly divorce were to happen or whatever.

    But insurance and pensions only work because the vast majority of working people buy into them, and in fact it just makes everything they cover more expensive.

    If nobody paid insurance or pension plans everything would be cheaper and you'd have more money in the bank for your retirement. Now trusting the bank is another matter.

    It just annoys me how it is organised so that it is a good idea for the individual, but a terrible idea for the collective.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    And they are usually the ones that allow their dogs to be snappy little c*nts. Speaking from experience.

    My opinion: I think anyone whose weekend television routine consists of whatever show Ant and Dec are fronting, BGT, x-factor etc. and then tune in for the seasonal stuff like Love Island, Big Brother etc. probably don't have a news app on their phones nor know what's going on with Trump's tarriffs fiasco.



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