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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    It's probably the TV medium he's been using for years now to "amuse" a lot of TV watchers in the U.S. They've gotten used to his image and swallowing what he says, thinking his TV shows were reality and not just gameshows, letting him perfect his con skills on a pliable audience already minded to believe what he says.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    (72-22)/72 * 0.5 is what I garnered from a quick Google.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,873 ✭✭✭yagan


    The basic 10% tariff on all countries will be a disaster for a lot of US exporters who rely on imported components to begin with. I can imagine some US companies actually moving production out of the US just to protect their existing customers unaffected outside the US.

    After the hostile immigration atmosphere that's alienating talent there's even more incentive now to move r&d out of the US to avoid trade frictions.

    For many Us companies the home market will become a secondary market to their global operations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    US companies are relying on hard skills taught in other education systems. Asians are good at maths is a thing. Asians staying in Asia will be another thing going forward as the likes of China get richer. Tariffs can't stop that growth. Like 2% of China's economy is based on exporting to the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,248 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    What the EU should do is say to the Americans they are ready to negotiate and to request, whatever about the base rate 10%, to hold off the reciprocal 20% rate (which is due to come in on Wednesday) pending the outcome of those negotiations.

    This would buy time for us and give a face saving excuse for the Trump administration. We'd still have the 10% but at least it's the base and not 20%.

    That may be what happens, hopefully. Makes sense for both sides.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I'm not sure of the reality behind a line mentioned on a Euronews channel show: that Trump may have forced the EU to become more unified on the political, business and military defence fronts with both his "I want to provide less US dollar support, you're not spending enough yourselves" to Europe's defence and his attacks on the EU's business interests. If that has some truth, both Putin and Orban wont be happy with it.

    Germany seems to have had to change it's laws on state financial spending on its military, increasing it's limits. The last thing Putin would have wanted is an independent Europe more ready to stand on its own feet with weapons ready for use without the need of trans-Atlantic re-supply from NATO's US partner. Putin's already forced a change of opinion and position of defence pacts in several European countries close to Russia's borders. All those EU countries and other countries are going to have to put re-armament on the front burner costing them much needed finance.

    Certainly, despite two assertions by Trump's Sec State Marco Rubio that the U.S wants Europe's NATO pact members to have faith in NATO, Trump has been busy spinning a radically different line to Europe and has now gone one better with his tariffs. Macron's response to Trump seems as radical as Trump's tariffs: basically a boycott of French investments which helps the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Do you have any thoughts on whether he has punctured his own popularity balloon or "trust in me" fanbase?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Yes that sounds more accurate. (we know it makes sense ;-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,397 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    Yeah, that's because the MAGA muppets never expected him to win in 2016. Therefore, there was a lot of traditional Republicans in his administration that curtailed him over the 4 years. Now, they're fully prepared (see Project 2025). All the people in senior positions in his administration are purely there to indulge his worst beliefs and instincts. Hence the horrendous start to his second term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Personally it wouldn't be the Trump administration I'd be offering a face-saving chance to, more the U.S itself. It's clearly an advantage to him to link the future of Trump with that of the U.S. and not to the advantage of the U.S. The only thing I'd give the Trump admin members is the demand that they gag him and lock him up as a sign of good faith before opening discussions with those we might consider as worth trusting.

    Trump would take a mention of negotiation and a request as a supplication to him as another sign of weakness and idiocy. It's gone past the time of kissing his ring: more the time of lopping Putin's hand off at the wrist there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,574 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    NI should thank Trump, embrace this opportunity and become a mini Hong Kong https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8x8ql5lgj7o



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,741 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    He's a bit like a King Kong. I wonder will he ever climb up the Empire State building being chased by the population he has upset?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,864 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    "I won't have time to play golf if I'm elected president. I’m going to be working for you, I’m not going to have time to go play golf."

    • Donald J. Trump, 2016

    Today the Whitehouse issued this statement

    “The President won his second round matchup of the Senior Club Championship today in Jupiter, FL, and advances to the Championship Round tomorrow.”

    Please explain to me why Americans aren't rioting on the streets right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭nachouser


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/05/anti-trump-protests-hands-off

    It would appear that quite a few are demonstrating today. Though, no doubt it will be construed as rioting soon enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,626 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Ronald Regan on tariffs and protectionism.

    There was a time when American leaders didn't bull$hit and were considered in their exchanges.

    President Reagan's Radio Address on Free and Fair Trade on April 25, 1987



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,858 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭DrPsychia


    I agree. Think of the thousands of veterans alone, many who were highly skilled marksmen, who are due to draw down their 401K's but have now lost huge portions of their pensions due to Trumps unparalleled idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭DrPsychia


    Yes

    https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/trump-tariffs-trade-war-stock-market-04-03-2025/card/why-russia-wasn-t-on-trump-s-tariff-list-bphjBr2GFyt6nGqasBW5

    Snippet from the Wall Street Journal article;

    One country missing from President Trump’s new tariff list, despite running a trade surplus with the U.S. of $2.5 billion: Russia.

    The country was left off of a list of dozens that have much smaller trade imbalances with America, but were still slapped with tariffs of up to 50%. Trade between Russia and the U.S. has dropped significantly since the imposition of numerous rounds of sanctions by Washington as punishment for the Kremlin's invasion of Ukraine. However, Russia still sells enriched uranium and some chemicals to America.

    Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent told Fox News that numerous sanctions on Russia had already precluded meaningful trade. But bilateral trade between the U.S. and Russia stands at $3.5 billion, far larger than other countries which incurred tariffs. Iran, which has similar sanctions and even less trade, was slapped with a 10% tariff. Syria, which is also sanctioned and has very limited trade with the U.S., has tariffs as high as 41%.

    “Excluding Russia from tariffs leaves options open for Trump for a while,” said Alexandra Prokopenko, a fellow at the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center in Berlin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,248 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    EU_trade_balance_of_goods_with_the_United_States,_2024.png

    Jaysus I'd say the Dutch are pissed off. An heroically unwarranted 20% tariff for the sins of others…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth Randomer


    Scvmbag, Golf more importance than attending return of fallen American Soldiers

    Golf over duty: Trump skips soldiers' farewell in Lithuania



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,626 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    What are you talking about sins of others?

    Countries sell stuff and the USA are happy to buy this stuff if they happen to need it.

    It is a Trumpian invention that countries have to balance their trade numbers with the US or else.

    This is stupid thinking. The thinking of somebody with a warped mind.

    What does America produce that Vietnam or Cambodia need or can afford? These are poor countries but they happen to produce items that America need, like textiles and electronics, thus lifting them out of poverty if Americans buy it.

    Trump misses this point with his moronic tariff formula.

    Ireland was like that once but then US investment gradually helped us get out of poverty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,248 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,248 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I was being sarcastic. It's a sin in Trump's eyes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,852 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Because they can no longer afford the bus fare, or are saving it up to buy a six pack of eggs for Sundays breakfast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,008 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Why is it that only goods surplus matters and not services?

    It's all American corporations either way no?

    If it's truly about balancing trade why is half of it ignored?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    By services do you mean non-solid transactional items like I.P. items and copyrights, as distinct from solid items sold on the open market or bartered in trade deals?

    I am hazarding a guess that services might include I.P. items provided by, or the property of, corporations. Trump seems to have U.S. corporations in mind probably having been advised that other nations corporations cannot be touched by his Govt, as they were created under those countries or Blocs sovereign laws.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,248 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Trump's core base is mainly blue collar manufacturing workers especially in the rust belt states, many of whom have suffered really badly over the last few decades as industries have left or downsized from globalised trade.

    Sometimes I think those people from the perspective of the rest of the world tend to be forgotten when Trump does what he does but look at cities like Detroit, for example, that are almost post apocalyptic in decline over the years. There are so many places in the US like that that have been devastated by it.

    With services the US does exceptionally well. It is a services economy now by and large. They tend not to be Trump supporters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,755 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    And to state the obvious, all those groupings are going to suffer greatly as a result of the recession he's creating. Also he literally had a previous term where he achieved nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,248 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    But the point is if you are one of that group and you see the devastation year after year and nobody is fixing your problems - you've been through Regan etc, hoping - it gets to the point you're going to be desperate for some sort of radical change. For some they may see Trump as listening to them (however misguided). And for some at this stage they are so down they just don't care anymore and Trump is the molotov cocktail they can throw in to the establishment as they see it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,534 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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