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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    No idea why you're calling on me to justify child murder. It sounds awful.

    Dodge. Awful child murder perpetrated by whom exactly? Do you think the Ukrainians are clusterbombing their own playgrounds? Come on spit it out.

    In case you're unaware, Israel a US ally financed by the US has killed about 100,000 children in similar fashion. I haven't seen you Express similar outrage for the Palestinian children murdered by the US/ Israel.

    Nobody asked you about Israel and I haven't been actively apologizing in the Israel/Palestine/Hamas thread on Israel's behalf like you have for Russa here. I haven't posted there much if at all to my recollection. But just for the sake of cornering your cowardly whataboutism. I think that Israel have bombed and killed children in Palestine and those who have done it are scumbags. Any land stolen from Palestine should be given back to them and they should be allowed their own sovereign state in peace. I think Netanyahu is a thug and should be dragged in front of the Hague.

    Now your turn.

    I don't know if there's a way out for Ukraine anymore, the de-nazification sounds similar to ending Hamas. Ideologies are difficult to destroy.

    Such demented drivel. If you think the denzification sounds similar to ending Hamas then are you going to add 2+2 together here? If you believe one is an excuse to invade and steal territory then the other should be recognized in the same vein.

    Why has Ukraines Nazi Regime offered a full unconditional ceasefire and negotiation process? Meanwhile Putin rejects it?

    You really don't have a leg to stand on. You don't have the moral authority to cast stones at Israel given your position on Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Any poster that refers to "denazification" is clearly a Putin supporter & maybe a paid one. The only "Nazis" are Russian, the only ones murdering innocent civilians are Russian, the only ones murdering POW's are Russian & the only illegal invaders are Russian.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Not sure if you got my point. Ukraine had issues with Banderas and Nazi ideology. Before the war, it was apparently only a tiny minority.

    Denazification sounds like an excuse for genocide. The Russian stated aims are:

    1. 4 oblasts
    2. No NATO
    3. Demilitarization
    4. Denazification

    The first three are tangible but the fact that Russia has now started emphasizing the fourth sounds like very bad news for Ukraine.

    Back in 2022, the Istanbul agreement seemed like a potential exit. There's been a few opportunities since but in 2025 I don't see an easy exit for Ukraine.

    We get the Western media reports in Ukraine. When we get a report from the latest massacre in Gaza we also get told what the Israeli government side is but never the Hamas side

    Things were not so one-sided on the Ukraine battlefield but the Western media favours Ukraine like it does Israel. The atrocities committed by Ukraine are not advertised. From the few commentaries I've listened to here Ukrainian supporters call the Russians sub human orcs while the Russians not initially seemingly as hateful now have huge hate for Ukrainian's and they seem to regard a large swathe as Nazis to be exterminated.

    I don't see an easy way out for Ukraine. It feels like Russia will keep grinding Ukraine into the ground until they decide to stop.

    The only option I see is a complete surrender for Ukraine and throwing themselves at the mercy of the Russian sword. Things have gone from bad to worse for Ukraine.

    I can't comment effectively on single incidents like the horrific attack on the playground but have typically pointed to reports that show Ukraine in an unflattering light because I believe neither Russia nor Ukraine are innocent and hoped for arbitration but it's gone beyond that now.

    As I have said before, Putin seems to be a psychopath. Thankfully , he doesn't seem to want to murder all the children in Ukraine like the Israeli's in Gaza but he solving his problems through death and destruction.

    If I was a Ukrainian, I might wonder at Zelensky's order to refuse leave to men and enforced conscription. As an Irish person I wouldn't want that. I'd imagine I'd fight but wouldn't agree with forcing people to fight.

    Ukraine is in serious trouble. Some say a million Ukrainian soldiers have died, some say it is less. If Zelensky the ad any honor, he would allow men to leave, surrender and accept his fate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    The only option I see is a complete surrender for Ukraine and throwing themselves at the mercy of the Russian sword. Things have gone from bad to worse for Ukraine.

    I don't think I've ever read such heinous shite as I have here.

    No condemnation of Russia cluster bombing a playground.

    You are not a serious individual.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Ukraine had issues with Banderas and Nazi ideology.

    No they didn't. No more than any country in the world, and by plenty of metrics less than most of Europe. It is a completely stupid thing to even bring up.

    I don't see an easy way out for Ukraine

    Well **** duh. They are being invaded by a larger, genocidal neighbour and fighting for their survival.

    The only option I see is a complete surrender for Ukraine and throwing themselves at the mercy of the Russian sword.

    This is the stupidest thing I have ever read in my life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Ukraine and Russia had troll armies that were analysed by the University of Adelaide at the start of the war. I'm not a troll and not paid by Putin. Just a Dubliner that was hoping the war would end and the savagery stop

    You can read about Banderas and neo Nazism in many many articles. Here's one.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946

    I imagine it's like the IRA in Ireland. There was some sympathy resisting the British but the vast majority was against pub bombing and such atrocities.

    Anyway, I've been pretty consistent in my calls for arbitration and negotiations. Feels like it's too late now.

    I feel very strongly for the people of Gaza and my friend and his family who I have not heard from since last summer. If Zelensky rescinded his orders against men leaving and forced conscription, at least ordinary people in Ukraine could escape unlike in Gaza where there's no way out.

    I guess many people on this thread feel similarly for the people of Ukraine. You can have a go at me if you want but I don't think it'll help Ukraine. I've nothing to add, just sad that such barbarism is happening in the world today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Anyway, I've been pretty consistent in my calls for arbitration and negotiations. Feels like it's too late now.

    Again ignoring the fact that Zelensky offered a ceasefire and negotiations and Putin and Russia rejected it.

    But still no condemnation of them forthcoming.

    You're a hypocrite to your core.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Fully back to square one with another long diatribe style repeat of Putin talking points

    Ukraine does not have "Nazi" issues. Less than 2% voted for the far right candidates in the 2014 election, which is lower than most European countries.

    Putin has not genuinely sought a halt to his invasion of Ukraine yet, so far it's been an act

    We get global media reports from Ukraine

    There's no "both sides" to this, Putin is attempting to conquer a country that is no threat to Russia whatsoever

    More whataboutery about another conflict

    The situation is very difficult for Ukraine, it's always been difficult. They have a choice of brutal occupation or war. Die on their backs like Bucha, or die fighting. So far they've chosen to fight. They are exhausted by the war, but support for Zelensky is still high. Perhaps a terrible deal is on the table, or perhaps Putin will continue to play games (like he always has)

    Your posts are repeated attempts to mash a fringe world view with poor knowledge of what's going on, whilst attempting to insert a fake "balance" to the whole thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    "I can't comment effectively on single incidents…" said no alleged Dubliner ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,002 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Orwell Rd speaks. Seriously, why bother baiting these sub-humans into a pointless regurgitation of their idiotic sh​it? Better things to do than argue the inarguable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    The poster was @'d to the thread and responded, views there are well known and haven't changed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,158 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    On the Ukrainian side of things which this thread is about; the barbarism could be stopped right now if Putin would remove his rampaging horde out of Ukraines sovereign territory and recognize their boarders. Are you able to understand and agree that?

    Post edited by relax carry on on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,316 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    I see russian press are warning citizens that the military and police are targeting gyms and fitness centres for those who haven't registered for military service. Now they are reporting that Universities are detaining those who haven't registered for the military / police.

    In the same press those russians who escaped Putin's regime and have private yachts are finding it difficult in hiring butlers who speak russian and those that can be trusted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Honestly I was furious seeing that mother grieving her child in the context of Ukraine now extending the olive branch of a ceasefire.

    I wanted that person's disgusting views on record about this incident given the changed landscape of Trump and the supposed peace deal.

    But you're probably right. No point really. Shamelessness and hypocrisy are modus operandi.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭doyle55


    "Whataboutery".

    One of the biggest cancers on this planet mostly used by cnuts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Crazy as it sounds, if Boards.ie existed during WW2 you’d have people on here defending Germany invading Poland 100% and possibly some defending ‘the final solution’.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,390 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    But but but, Hitler is just taking back what was wrongly taken from Germany after ww1.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,658 ✭✭✭yagan


    There seems to be no shortage of posters supporting a final solution for Gazans.

    There was particular poster called gatling I think who got away with absolute vile genocidal cheering .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,036 ✭✭✭Polar101


    And it's not just Germany who has a nazi problem. And some Polish regions are effectively German.

    It's very easy to come up with fake reasons, but justifying an invasion is far more difficult. Why some people even bother trying to justify Russia's invasion of their neighbour?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭tarvis


    So how come the US has not been booted out of NATO by now. Is there even a booting out clause?

    The so called peace talks are just allowing Russia more time and space for killing.

    Trump is so clearly a Putin supporter that Trump in NATO is de facto Putin in NATO.

    Surely a determined and UNITED European continent could put a stop to Russia in Ukraine - and to the US on the European soil it obviously has no respect for.

    “Trumps USA is no longer a trustworthy ally and its bases are no longer European assets.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,002 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Brent crude has fallen to $69, Orc oil should therefore be selling for $49 - they are losing money at $60 and below.

    Putrid has shot himself in the foot, instructing Krasnov to destroy the US economy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,964 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The US has not being booted out of NATO because they have been the biggest financial backer. A new and much altered if slimmer EU NATO will have to emerge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,964 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And Putin doesn't have the storage facilities, so either he stops Pumping, which will damage the pumping stations, or sell it at a loss. The proverbial rock and the hardplace……great to see the man who has squeezed others so hard, now been squeezed himself..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Many did exactly that at the time. Their argument was that Poland was at fault in fighting back against germany when they couldn't possibly win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭8mv


    A guy I work with tried to convince me of this shite some months ago. You're way too late bringing it here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,158 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    Any chance of any sort of reliable source for that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,002 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


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    On the night of April 5, Ukraine carried out a large-scale drone attack on russia, successfully striking several facilities linked to the country’s defense-industrial complex. Among the primary targets was the Optikovolokonnye Sistemy plant, russia’s sole manufacturer of fiber-optic cables used in drones and other applications. The russian army has increasingly employed drones operated via optical fiber on the battlefield in Ukraine.

    Nice one. Hope it relied on hard to source western equipment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭wassie


    Asked a question on Russia.

    Responds with an answer about Israel.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭AngeloArgue


    The US has not being booted out of NATO because they have been the biggest financial backer. A new and much altered if slimmer EU NATO will have to emerge.

    I believe what we're seeing under the Trump administration is a restructuring of the global geopolitical security architecture. America, under Trump, wants the Europeans to take care of, and finance, the defence in their own back yard. The US will bump up their capabilities against China and Iran. And that's the reason for some of the seemingly friendly posturing towards Russia.

    Russia is centred on the world island, they have economic, and increasingly military, direct lines with China and Iran that are difficult due to geography for the Americans to break. The US doesn't want resource rich Russia being allied with those countries.

    I think the Americans want to neutralise their own relationship with Russia, try to freeze the conflict on the present line of contact, and palm off any further security issues in that region off to the Europeans while they build up their overstretched military elsewhere.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    Hear hear!

    putler heads up a terrorist regime, just like netanyahoo upholds a terrorist regime.

    Just this week, both the zionists, and the orcs were busy attacking hospitals.

    There is no equivocation between the two, no one is defending either.



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