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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,976 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,056 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "Telling poor people they are racist because they bought what Trump was selling has only emboldened him and his cult."

    Always blaming Democrats for the **** position we are in, caused by Trump's actions.

    Listen. If poor people voted for Trump knowing he is a f**king racist, which the dogs getting eaten on the streets knew, and they are called on that, then tough sh1t.

    If they didn't do their homework and pay attention to the vast evidence that Harris' plan was better, then tough sh1t - that's democracy for you.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Even if you stepped back for a minute and thought “this tariff thing just might work for America”- it’s time not timing that will dictate that - If America moves to recession, prices rise and potentially jobs go- how long will that last? What’s the period of “pain” that Trump is asking US citizens to take? A year? Two years? 5 years?

    For this to be successful, MAGA need to win the next presidential election because if there is a golden age awaiting after this period of “pain” ends, they need to be there to see it through.

    The clock is ticking- a rapid recession followed by rapid growth is what will keep MAGA in office - I don’t see that happening - the recession will be longer than a year or two- it takes time to kick start businesses and then make an impact .

    Which leads us to the next election - every trick in the book and a few not yet in the book will be played to try and ensure MAGA wins - voter suppression - especially against ethnic voters will be rife - “rules” will be brought in around ID,unrealistic time frames for postal votes to arrive , cutoff time limits for registering, “lost” applications to register etc etc


    The “light” at the end of the tunnel should be the American voters- if the level of “pain” is big then what would normally happen is they protest through the ballot box in great numbers.

    They just seem to have a high tolerance for stupidity - I’m concerned their pain threashokd is equally high



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,033 ✭✭✭golfball37


    Another candidate even if Harris should have been prepped for at least a year prior to the election.

    Avoid discussing how hitching to Bidens wagon instead of putting everything into a candidate who could win helped caused this reelection shur.
    You do understand there’s a credibility issue when the same people telling us Joe Biden was in full faculty are more or less the same people calling Trump voters undesirables?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Remember there are people in California and New York and the big cities of the East and west coast who know full well they contribute more to American society and their vote is worth many times less than some of the voters in the flyover states. This has been the case for many decades and not a whimper about it. Such a situation would not be accepted in this country or many European countries. Expecting Americans to change their system is futile.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,056 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    You do understand there’s a credibility issue when the same people telling us Joe Biden was in full faculty are more or less the same people calling Trump voters undesirables?

    I couldn't care less what Trump voters think of me, for calling them idiots or racists.

    If they don't want to be called that, then don't be an idiot or a racist.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭yagan


    The reputational damage I feel is probably permanent. Industries plan in decades so the fact that the US shareholders voted back in the "everyday is table flip day" candidate makes investment off-putting.

    Trumps attacks on the fed shows he'd be happy to do a Mugabe on the USD, but at least he'd probably get his face on the 3 trillion dollar bill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,652 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Disagree. The dog on the street would be a better leader than CFTrump now, tomorrow and going forward. The man is senile and corrupted. Sanders appears to care a bit about the public, putting him light years ahead of CFTrump and his GoonOldParty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,652 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Haley ran in the primary. Did you vote for her? She'd have made a better POTUS than CFTrump and presumably would've had the GOP behind her.

    You don't vote in US electiosn? Oh. Sorry for your loss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭riddles


    is it not a ponzi is scheme since after 2008 as in stock value is not linked to much of anything real?

    Post edited by riddles on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Field east


    is it now the case, in theory at least, that when the shares of the businesses quoted in the US stock exchange ‘ bottom out , say over the next week or two - eg having dropped circa 12%- that Trumps monied cronies could buy up cheap stock and , after a few weeks , remove all the tariffs - saying I was only coding ye all so as to watch ye squeem’



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,879 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Maybe if you were good at bargaining and didn't need the item as essential, and the wholesaler or retailer was really prepared to bargain with you about the price. If that did not apply, you would be shown the door. The retailer is not going to be charitable enough to pay the tariff for you gratis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭yagan


    The reputational damage is done though, any potential gains are extremely short term.

    A conspiracy theory is actually easier to believe than accepting that the US elevated a lunatic to the highest office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Field east


    the downward spiralling of stocks in the US is DEFINATELY NOT A CRASH - nor anywhere near it- what is actually happening is the equivalent of a ‘Special Military Operation’ . Another Putin like talking point. Trump is fast picking up all the ways of saying things from his master!!!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Field east


    Putin’s generals in the Ukr field do’nt tell him everything either

    Outin’ generals on the Ukr field do’nt tell Putin everything either ,. They only feed him the ‘good news pieces’ and keep him ignorant of disasters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Field east


    if one is driving at 100 mph towards a 2foot thick concrete wall and is just one yard from same - yes , one could say that there has been no crash YET



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Field east


    17661

    17661- forgot to say this is in response to post no 17661



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Field east


    Am surprised that he did not go for the’ easiest win ‘ first and talk to them. Trump would make a suggestion to them and say “if you agree with me then JUST FLAP” !!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Field east


    Forgot to say this is is in response to post no 17664



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,391 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    S&P 500 is down 10% in 2 days. The Trump circus will be glad it's Saturday. S&P is also down 2.5% year on year which will really piss long term investors off. I am watching Michael Burry's portfolio and there is a lot of red. I wonder did he short the markets, he has history of doing that. The people that shorted are the only folks making big money now. Monday will be interesting.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Field east


    can Trump remove J Powell from his post immediately - once he has dug up ‘ some dirt’ on him - eg driving off from his local store without paying for a lollipop!!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭yagan


    We're definitely near correction territory.

    The tariffs imposition are a political event with economic consequences so market reactions and strategy can take time to materialize. We may see a bigger bolt out of US assets later.

    one thing that will not change is that Trump's tariffs formula signals to the market that there's no actual method being applied. even holding 10 year t bills isn't insurance against the maga madness continuing even if Trump died on the golf course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,590 ✭✭✭McFly85


    I do wonder if the democrats(or anyone, really) are looking at challenging these tariffs in the senate or in court?

    They are causing massive pain for the American people and they clearly go far beyond the reach of what Trump is supposedly allowed to do regarding tariffs so there’s clearly scope for it.

    It’s so strange, and a sign of a democracy with huge problems, that the executive can just do something that damaging unilaterally and there’s no effective way of blocking it.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,576 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The EU puts trade restrictions on blood diamonds, products that cause deforestation etc. these are sensible.

    I agree. That is not remotely what Sanders is interested in. He is just a left-wing Amercian protectionist who wanted to nonsensically reshore manufacturing the US every bit as much as Trump. He would be far less stupid about it of course, but his core instincts in this one scenario are the same.

    What the Democrats need (and are clearly desperately lacking) is a free trade advocate who can put out the entirely correct message that it makes everyone richer, in both the US and the markets they are buying from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Field east


    Should the Democrats now be putting forward their counter policies now with the aim of winning the mid terms or is it a bit too early ? . Maybe start with broad outlines of it. - giving more details as time marches on. I suppose that’s for political strategists to work out.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,576 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    A half comatose badger would be a better leader than Trump right now. That was not remotely my point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,652 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Sanders would be a far better leader than Trump right now, along with your badger. Neither are insane. Sure, Sanders policies might not be great - but he's no idiot and would listen to reason. Plus, who knows, maybe the US would end up with decent health care policy. I can always naievely hope…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,237 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I disagree that the solution to the predicament the US public find themselves in is free trade. There are more than two choices between free trade idealism, and whatever it is that Trump is doing.

    Trade policy is part of international diplomacy. It is a tool to drive reforms and to extend your domestic policy abroad.

    Eg, if you are a liberal country, you should put tariffs on countries that use slavery or revoke civil rights from minorities or women.

    We should put tariffs on countries that have lower costs because they exploit labour and or cause environmental destruction.

    We should also protect essential domestic interests, like the CAP to ensure that Europe has a viable food industry to prepare for the inevitable global trade shocks so we are not left stranded without food.

    Free trade absolutism is a race to the bottom in labour health and environmental standards and political freedoms

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,576 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I'm not a free trade absolutist. The EU approaches these issues for the most part by incorporating these minimum standards into their free trade deals which is absolutely the way to approach it.

    Also we should just not accept slave goods, not put tariffs on them. We should, as we do, have minimum health requirements for animal products also.

    Sanders, much like Trump, wanted to use tariffs in a misguided and ultimately pointless effort to reshore manufacturing to the US. It has/had nothing to do with trade ethics. Tariffs essentially never work for this - all they do is make everyone poorer. Already you can see the response from many Democrats is carefully couched in language about how tariffs can be an important tool to bolster US manufacturing, and that is just 100% wrong and these people are destroying the effective response to this crisis.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭thereiver


    I read that Trump will have to come to some agreement with the EU Canada and Japan re tariffs otherwise the stock market will continue to decline. The us is heading for a 2008 type recession unless he is ready to compromise and negotiate. Tariffs increase the cost of goods for All consumers Then voted for trump he promised to crack down on illegal immigrantion. He speaks in a simple way that appeals to working class and Latino voters .Biden was too old to be a viable candidate.

    Democrats can't seem to communicate with working class voters . Hopefully democrats can up with some candidate that appeals to voters in the next 3 years .



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