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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning added to OP 10/1/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,252 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    You can’t help but think a separate Pharma tax is on its way - likely awaiting the EU response first.

    The figures in terms of what % countries are taxing America are a nonsense -doesn’t matter though- that chart was done for a home audience and they lapped it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,457 ✭✭✭✭gmisk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭scrotist


    I don't understand anything you said.

    Here's a photo of the tarrifs. They seem to be fair. Again, why is this a problem?

    Screenshot_20250403_083849_Samsung Internet.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Wow that's bananas if true. The idiot is surrounded by idiots.

    What puzzled me was If there tariffs are reciprocal, why are we getting discounts?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,764 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Watched a fair bit of his speech last night, can anyone quickly either confirm or deny what he stated early in it all?

    Do all these countries really hit the US with tariffs on a lot of their goods, which is meant to discourage their population from buying US made items?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Id assume because the "tariffs charged to the US" are BS. Its all just waffle for his brain dead followers. I do not think this level of limited intelligence has been seen in a US administration ever. Trump makes George W look like Einstein.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,430 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    The real interesting thing is this is the formula chat GPT apparently spits out if you ask it something along the lines of how to calculate and impose reciprocal tarriffs with another country…..

    https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1jq56pb/the_white_house_may_have_used_ai_to_generate/?share_id=syl2nXjqwGkrcmC38-1jI



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭JVince


    No, the administration know EXACTLY what they are doing. Its the American Trump fanatic that are rather dumb and the administration know that and know they can be extremely creative on figures and the very dumb maga types will never question it.

    Listen to trumps - his simply say "the EU adds a vat tax on all American goods" - factually correct. But they omit that the vat is added to ALL goods no matter if its made locally or from China or from USA.

    The admin also don't explain what vat is. They just say its a tax on US goods.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,168 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Saw this and it seems to encapsulate the general view after last night's speech....

    Screenshot_20250403-084508.png

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,074 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    No they don't for the very large part. He's doing nonsense stuff like trade deficit (we sell them more than we buy from them) and VAT (which is not a tariff specific to the US in any way).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,430 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Well firstly those numbers on that chart are made up, that is the trade surplus divided by deficit, which has nothing to do with tariffs, the rest of the world does not have tariffs on the US to anything close to that degree if at all.

    Secondly Trump considers EU VAT a tariff, EU VAT is applied to every product regardless of country of origin and yes that includes EU countries, do you believe American goods and only American should be exempt from EU VAT?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,825 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I don't think you understand it at all.

    In a trade scenario the seller is the USA plant and the purchaser is BMW Germany. The end price the consumer pays doesn't come into it any trade figures. If that BMW on the forecourt sells for 50k for a consumer, that's not the figure that's recorded or used for calculating the international trade figure.

    The US plant is only disadvantaged by the tariffs not the VAT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭forzacalcio


    I assume this 20% tarrif is on everything exported to the US? I sell items around €25 and my biggest market is the states. Does the buyer pay this via customs or how does it work?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    just looking at this chart

    https://economicsinsider.com/top-10-countries-the-us-had-the-largest-trade-deficits/

    using maga economics (it works for the others on the chart and trumps list of taridds) if ireland are singled out of the EU as a whole we would be looking at

    ((103.29-16.54)/103.29)/2 = 41.7%

    sorry:

    ((103.29-16.54)/119.83)/2= 36.2%



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,431 ✭✭✭Genghis


    You can check all the figures here:

    https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/europe/european-union

    For EU the deficit ratio comes to 38.9%, for Switzerland it's 60.5%, Trump had 39% and 61%. So formula checks out.

    An exception is UK, who the US has a trade surplus with. They just get baseline 10%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    That table is bullshit though, can you explan the first column?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    The tariff calculation based on the deficits don't take into account population sizes, which makes them even worse.

    Lesotho spend more per capita on US goods than Americans spend per capita on Lesotho goods. But they get hit with a 50% tariff because some Americans spend some money importing from there. The total is is less than $250 million.

    Completely and utterly insane arithmetic being used when the US has a big population, is the richest in the world, and consumes more than any other country. Pretty much any smaller or poorer country will always have a surplus because American consumers and companies can buy from those places easily when those places can't afford American goods.

    If a university student did this calculation for new tariffs in an assignment worth 2% of their grade, they'd rightly be called lazy and inept. Here the US wrecking havoc in every corner of the world based on arbitrary meaningless numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭JVince


    The small value exemption still applies, so you won't see any change



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,764 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN




  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,576 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    As ALL these tariff monies goes to the US government, and are paid for by the American people, it's very difficult to see this as anything but an extortion by the trump administration on the USs own people.

    Reap what you sowed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,850 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    As I said, the literal point is for there to be retaliation then negotiation. Any other action is dumb and taking the US trade secretary, of this administration, at their word is ridiculously naive of you. It looks like Europe is preparing a more targeted response as we speak.

    Protecting French farmers (again, hyperbole and wrong from an EU perspective) also protects Irish farmers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭Shelga


    Jaguar Land Rover sells about 20-25% of their global output in the US (>100k cars in 2024), and it’s the market with their biggest profit margin. People there are really worried. I’m sure it’s the same in other UK car manufacturers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭forzacalcio


    Thank you for this. What's the max price for small value exemption?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,430 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Well true in the sense they used some form of maths to get to them, they arent true if you try to call them tariffs when all they are is trade deficits



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,825 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    $800. I certainly wouldn't call it small value!

    Assuming what ever you sell isn't actually Chinese origin, there should be no issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    The value figures are correct - how they have used them to create "tariff" figures is complete nonsense.

    They have also ignored how small poor countries like Cambodia - which US companies make stuff in/buy stuff from to provide the US customers the cheap stuff they crave are never going to have trade deficit with the US as they cant afford American products.

    He also ignores that the US is the biggest consumer on the planet - of virtually everything and there is a reason why a lot of the manufacturing moved out of the US in the first place.

    Trump really is the bottom of the gene pool.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭forzacalcio


    Thanks for this. Nope all Irish made. Appreciate your help on this. Just very hard to find info on this today for the small businesses. Thanks again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,379 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Ahh, Mr. "Art of the Deal" himself…went and applied tariffs to essentially the entire planet and thus used up all of his potential negotiation leverage all at once. Sure he can threaten "more" tariffs, but the impact is essentially the same.

    He's gone and essentially Brexit'd the US from the global supply chain, and although it will of course have an impact on everyone, it will also galvanise the rest of the world into the practice of bypassing trading with the US at all. By far, the thickest President in US history, although we already knew that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,687 ✭✭✭threeball


    He didn't bother factoring in sales tax in the US I see.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,139 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Listening to an American economist on with Pat Kenny and she is quietly optimistic for Ireland. Says Trump hasn't got a clue what he is doing basically and doesn't remotely understand global trade - she feels most US multinationals (Intel for example) will remain in Ireland.



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