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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Zappi grid limit is likely set to 60 amps, as that's the default



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭Comer1


    Thanks. Can I increase the limit, or should I leave it as is?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,820 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    As the lads said its the Zappi is holding you back, I have a 16 kVA connection as well as a Zappi and discovered this as well early on. The Zappi will throttle down to not break 60 amps.

    Go into the setting in the Zappi and set the grid limit to 80amps and you should be good to go. You should then be able to import up to around 17 kW before the Zappi again will throttle back.

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,943 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    If it's capable of taking the load, which it seems to be, then do if you need it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭Comer1


    Brilliant, so just to confirm, for my 16kVW connection, I can safely increase it to 80amps?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    Listening to random people online about the safe limits of your MIC, what could go wrong?🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,943 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    A long as you're confident in the wiring and protection and it was installed with that intention, then you could do so. But it's not up to us to say really!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭Comer1


    These are my current settings.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭paddy236


    For an estimate you can survey the roof yourself. Take a clearer photo of the roof. Put a 500mm border around the roof and 200mm border around each velux. From the velux measure the size of a slate. Get the dimensions of the panel you want to use and convert the measurements into number of slates. (e.g. in portrait mode, 1 panel is 4 slates wide and 7 slates tall). Then draw in the panels.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 str8y


    Most panels I see online seem to be the large 440w ones. Are there other reliable panels closer to 1000w available here in ireland? Or are there smaller panels with high watts? Reason I ask is that I have fairly limited roof space and trying to maximise capacity.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Short answer is no. The higher powered panels (eg the 500-600w ones) are just bigger panels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    Did you mean 100W instead of 1000? Or would you go one big 1000W panel instead of 2 x 440W?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 str8y


    Thanks for your replies, I've found one at 625w which is about 600mm longer than the 440w panels https://midlandbatteries.com/products/aiko-comet-1n-625w-n-type-silver-frame-gen-2



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭Reg'stoy


    Screenshot 2025-03-25 10.13.53.png

    Hi, we had asked activ8 to quote us for fitting some solar panels, on the phone they told us that our roof was not suitable for panels due to the space available, this was done via an app, they didn't visit us.

    Now, a neighbour behind us has two panels on their front, red line is the 'property line' with our next door neighbour and what looks like 5 or 6 panels on their gable end. Their gable is south facing, ours is east, their front is east ours is south. For reference the above picture from google earth, was taken in Oct around 9am, due to the school traffic visible.

    We were told that we wouldn't qualify for the grant, if the panels were not fitted correctly.

    So, I suppose simple question is, are we screwed space wise and there is not much point getting panels fitted, 2 of us in the house someone here during the day. With only the two of us, washing machine is used maybe once/twice a week, we use a tumble dryer during the colder wetter months. Some FOMO with the panels, gas heating (boiler just replaced) so not going to be getting a heat pump anytime soon.

    Appreciate the replies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    First thing is to get a real company quote you 😀

    Plenty people here will give recommendations. Is the neighbours gable with 5 or 6 panels the same area as yours? 6 east and 3 south could work if 3 is enough for a string.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Grey123


    Thank you for this. I don't have a panel in mind yet. I presume different installer work with their choice? A quick google shows Sunpower use 61.3 inches by 41.2 inches. Would that be a good starting point. Do they need to be touching or could I have one under the small window on the right?

    .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    Personally I wouldn't increase it to 80amps. That said 60amps moving to 65A or 70A is probably ok. What you don't want is to be running very close to the limit of your import capability, and then someone plugs in an iron etc and you trip out your whole house.

    Also, just because you can go to 80A, it's probably not a good idea to be running at 80A for hours on end. I'd move it up in stages to maybe 65A limit, that'll give you a good bit extra over the 11kw that you have …. and see how you get on. Maybe bump it to 68A or something if you really need some more, but I'd avoid going into the 70's. That's just me - but I'm sure there's other opinions out there, and that's fine. Each to their own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Grey123


    Are there are return on investment calculators out there for battery and non battery that take account of your usage?

    Something a bit like energy pal? I graphed potential results from here https://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvg_tools/en/ vs my actual useage for 12 months.

    Things look good April to September but not so good October to March. We have air to water, I guess I should almost forget about trying to cover the heating over the winter?

    The solar generated would cover 67% of my usage. With solar and a battery would it be fair to say I could reduce by usage by say 50%. Split it evenly between night and day?

    What about without?

    My night time usage varies between 25-40%, highest in summer.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,943 ✭✭✭10-10-20




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭Comer1


    Thanks, that's exactly what I did. I increased to 65 and that has given me enough for the two cars, the battery and maybe a washing machine and/or dishwasher.

    Thanks to all who helped with this. It has made a huge difference😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Grey123


    Thanks. Seems like he has put a lot of work in but there would still be a lot to do. With Air to Water the usage differs a lot by month.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,943 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    You can download the data as an Excel spreadsheet, if I recall correctly. Might help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,787 ✭✭✭CR 7


    What are people's experience with H&S around installations? Are the reputable installers used to accepting PSCS/PSDP roles?

    I've seen some questionable carry on locally here in Cork, with installers using ladders to get up onto the roof and then just walking around freely on a sloped roof. I'll be trying to get it all sorted out with whichever installer I use beforehand, but just want to know how likely it is that they'll all just turn down the job at the first mention of safety documentation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,820 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    I think you are getting mixed up with big construction projects and getting a small contractor in to put up PV panels in your home. If you asked them who the PSDP is they would look at you silly.

    From a very basic google search I think all you need to satisfy yourself is they are competent to do the job, ask them maybe have they insurance (and you have your own house insurance…)

    When I was building my house a couple of years ago I did have a PSCS and PSDP but I was spending hundreds of thousands and there were multiple contractors involved.

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Grey123


    What types of work are defined as construction and therefore included under these Regulations?

    Examples of construction work on your house, which may come within these regulations, would include employing somebody to complete:

    1. Building an extension, porch or garage

    2. An attic conversion

    3. Re-fitting a kitchen etc

    4. Re-slating a roof

    5. Getting solar panels or skylight fitted etc.

    DIY work does not come within the regulations.

    https://www.hsa.ie/eng/your_industry/construction/construction_faq%27s/homeowners_faqs.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,787 ✭✭✭CR 7


    The HSA does specifically call out residential solar panel installation as requiring appointment of PSCS(and PSDP) due to being risky working at height. I agree that the contractor is likely to look at me silly for even asking about it, but I don't want to be the 'lucky' person that eventually has one of the cowboys fall off their roof. A lot of contractors advertise having full design teams to size the installations, so they even wouldn't be able to use the shaky argument of installing generic designs and not requiring a PSDP.

    I expect to find they'll either not consider it at all, or they specifically make sure that the homeowner is appointed for both roles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,943 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Have you seen the price of a certified/signed-off scaffolding installation?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Grey123


    Perhaps not strictly a solar quoting but trying to understand how my heat pump generally works in a normal setup (new build 4bed semid).

    I am a bit confused as to how it manages the two tasks it does, heating the water tank for showers etc and heating water for radiators.

    Are these two different water sources

    I understand it heats the water for showers to 50deg 6 days a week and to 60 on a Saturday night. This avails of the night rate on my d/n meter.

    But what is it doing when I see the fan spinning during the day. Is it topping up the water tank or heading the water for radiators? I presume this water is just circulating and separate to a tank.

    Should I be setting my heading to boost a bit before the day rate comes in to take advantage of night rate?



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