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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,061 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Tariffs are something Trump can effectively impose with the stroke of a pen without going through going through the legislative process is my understanding of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,871 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Yes, He's angling to get them to neuter themselves using the "Official Duties of the President" angle. If SCOTUS, as the highest Federal Court in the land, find he had the right to use the Aliens act, contrary to the lower Federal courts rulings to now where it comes to expelling aliens of all kinds now on any basis he chooses on advice from his own crew, it will destroy the lower Federal courts standing on all fronts. No one will bother going to those lower courts then. SCOTUS depends on business being referred to it for hearing or reversion to those courts.

    However, the above is how I see things might go given the specific circumstances I outlined. Things may well turn out completely differently.

    Edit note: deleted War and replaced it with Aliens above…

    Post edited by aloyisious on


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,564 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It has become that way de facto it seems, but de jure the President can only do it for some specific reasons. Mostly around national security etc. But no one seems to care anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Just watched a clip from White House press briefing earlier when leavitt refused a follow up question from kaitlan Collins of cnn. I know journalists are there to ask important questions and hold the president to account but ,my god, at this stage I don't know why they bother. It's infuriating to watch and I'm not even American.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,117 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    There is this notion doing the rounds that "don't worry, in 4 years he'll be gone and so will his changes".

    Biden didn't only not undo Trump's tariffs from Trump's first term, he increased them. So don't rely on the Democrats - particularly don't rely on them if Trump's actions work and create a lot of jobs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Biden's tariffs were in large measure directed at curbing Chinese economic power, and also at protecting strategic industries. As such they had more rationale behind them than Trumps wild, self-destuctive and punitive tariffs, more often directed at allies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,117 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    All I'm saying is we shouldn't adapt our own policies on the assumption the Democrats will bail us out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    No,we should adapt to regard America in the same category as Russia,we are gone alot beyond tarrif discussions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58 ✭✭AvalonEnaid


    The president does have broad power to put tariffs on items or things coming in from foreign nations. However, congress can check that power if it then rejects a tariff through legislation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    We shouldn't be adapting our policies for an easily manipulated jellyfish like trump either.

    Rational heads is what we need and the EU has already sent donald running scared multiple times on our behalf. European companies already build a lot of their cars in the states (my own was built in Alabama and "finished" in Germany), the car market in the states is very different to here (Japan might be more impacted? China won't care, domestic demand there keeps them sustained while the GOP attempt to castrate American consumption and drive them toneecession).

    But then, you have been proclaiming this for years and always been wrong, so why would you be right this time? We'll see indeed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭thereiver


    I don't support trump but they are putting extra resources into stopping immigration ,trump threatened mexico with tariffs and mexico sent 1000s of troops to the border to stop illegal migrants. I am saying the democrats have to address issues that effect the working class and Latino voters if they want to get elected .One thing trump has from his experience on tv is he able to speak in simple language and get his message across .

    Of course he is destroying the federal government and giving more tax breaks to the rich . He says he won't cut medicaid or social security but doge is closing down offices and sacking staff so if an old person or disabled person wants to apply for a pension or social security payments that,ll have to travel a long distance to find an office and wait for hours in a long queue .imagine if there's a 1000 people phoning an office and there's only 5 people there to answer the phones .

    The IRS is expecting to lose 10 per cent of tax revenue this year due to staff cuts and interfere nice by doge .

    It makes no sense to sack irs staff who collect billions from large corporations .There's no money to be saved at the IRS.

    Trump is making so many executive orders it's hard for the democrats to react and he's no attacking judges who are trying to stop doge from doing illegal acts like accessing private tax data on citizens . Students are being arrested because the protested against the war in Gaza . universities are clamping down in protests because the fear losing federal funding .

    The whole tradition of protest and free speech is in danger of being abandoned as company's and schools fear they will be punished by the government .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    And Denmark should sell Greenland to the US... Your approach appears to be roll over for the US and do whatever they ask



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,188 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭Dr Robert




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58 ✭✭AvalonEnaid


    “We are going to be doing tariffs on pharmaceuticals in order to bring our pharmaceutical industry back,” Mr Trump said in the White House on Wednesday.

    “We don’t make anything here in terms of drugs, medical drugs, medicines. It’s in other countries – largely made in China, a lot of it made in Ireland. Ireland was very smart. We love Ireland. But we are going to have that,”

    Oh fun.

    Are we in for a rough ride with American pharma holding off or at least lessen any investments in Ireland for the foreseeable future? It's not simple nor an overnight thing to suddenly have manufacturing capability be built, supply chains stabilized, and then be competitive.

    I'd be curious to know how the EU is going to respond to this. First on the vehicle manufacturing and then the very likely pharmaceutical tariffs imposed onto Ireland.

    We're overexposed in this industry right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/hegseth-waltz-gabbard-private-data-and-passwords-of-senior-u-s-security-officials-found-online-a-14221f90-e5c2-48e5-bc63-10b705521fb7

    If such a meagre method could get results like this just imagine what the Russians or the Chinese have on these guys.

    It must be like f*cking Christmas every day at the moment to be a Russian or Chinese foreign agent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭ollkiller


    USA. "Hey Greenland. Come join us". Greenland. "No". End of discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,117 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭ollkiller




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,032 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    They're falling to pieces.

    https://x.com/CalltoActivism/status/1904950845415788607?t=uLdgTpTaZ-ffBllz26uciw&s=19

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1904971657749426524?t=D0J2nPMlJ_TzdqOEBa_7lA&s=19

    P.S. MTG losing it is glorious. Her talking sex traffickers and rapists, while still lauding Trump is sickening. I don't believe she gives a toss about any victim of rape.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭kyote00


    more democracy about to be delivered…


    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/massive-american-bomber-build-up-suggests-upcoming-strike/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Republican senators breaking ranks. MAGA starting to fall apart in month 3. New record?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 575 ✭✭✭eastie17


    I believe this is what is actually going on, Trump is a useful idiot. Vance is their man and if they succeed we just had the last election for some time.


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭thereiver


    A judge reinstated 1000 people sacked by doge these including firefighters and emergency response workers who work in parks .Right now America is facing increasing danger from fires that are stronger and cause billions of dollars in damage every year . I don't think doge is saving money I think it's aim is to simply reduce public services to the minimum . This effects even rich people .The quality of life in America is falling .The stock market is falling .

    Crypto coins are doing well good news for scammers and hackers .

    Before doge people always assume that they could retire at 65 and the social security system was protected by all politicans of both party's

    Its ironic the average maga voters are the ones most effected by doge and government cuts .

    trump is using fraud and dei to cut 1000s of federal workers although they do vital work to maintain infrastructure and protect the consumer from fraud



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭thereiver


    The Democrats are awful at talking to voters and getting the message across to working class people talk about sanctuary citys and LGBT trans rights does not appeal to the average voter . Wheres the next Clinton or the next obama.?

    Trump use as the language of ordinary people and is very clever at using tv media to connect with people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    If every US bought car is made in US, it’s going to increase price, even if it brings more jobs back. Those jobs will be gone if people can’t afford expensive American made cars. Who will work in the factories? Where will they get the aluminium, steel and nickel?

    All the vehicles will be about 10 inches long, will be made of plastic, and can even be assembled by a 10 year old. If Canada stops nickel exports, you won't have engines, transmissions - anything that needs hardened steel. Trump thinks building electric power plants is just as easy. No aluminum means no more F150 Ford trucks - the second best selling vehicle currently in the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,921 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    The American Apparel story is really probably the best example of how Trumps plan would work in practice.

    Was an ultra popular brand back in the day. Made fairly plain basoc clothing. Pitched themselves as selling clothing that's entirely made in America, no cheap Asian labour making your t-shirts, etc...

    The price was a bit higher, but it was made in the good old US of A.

    The problem was, it was am unsustainable model for the type of product they made, and the company went bust.

    A Canadian company (pretty sure it was Canadian) came in and bought the company. They were going to move manufacturing to a low cost centre, because the business couldn't be kept going with American only manufacturing.

    Was a bit of uproar from the die-hard brand fans.

    So, they came up with a compromise. They would offer 2 products on the market.

    • More expensive American made clothing
    • A cheaper identical equivalent made in a lower cost country.

    The net result, pretty much all of their sales shifted to the lower priced products (because which student is ultimately going to spend $15 on a grey t-shirt when you can buy the same one for $10 on the same site).

    Moral of the story ultimately is, even with tariffs, American manufacturing is more expensive than a low wage country and the consumer either will have to foot the bill for more expensive foreign produce, due to the tariffs, even more expensive American produce, because it'll still cost more to make in America than a tariffed foreign product. Either way the American consumer loses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    If you can crash the economy, then unemployment goes up and you can pay those American workers less.

    The US was at full employment under Biden, trump seems to want to reverse that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭ronjo




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,651 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    "American manufacturing is more expensive than a low wage country"

    Which is why CFTrump wants more American children born, and wages to drop. His handlers know this is a crude way to compete. The assault on women's reproductive rights is just part of the program. Pretty sure Project 2025 is all over this (free IVF, system-wide removal of abortion access, etc.)

    The law of supply and demand never fails. More available workers, lower demand, lower wages.



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