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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning added to OP 10/1/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭dinorebel




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭cunnifferous


    25% tariff on cars now. Make America Walk Again!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭sliabh 1956


    Watched T. Gabbard to day now there's one scary Lady she has no problem in lying with impunity. And then without a hint of irony said that she saw no problem expressing support for Russia as a private citizen. She said she two opinions one personal and another Political. And she is Director of National Intelligence. You couldn't make it up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭Dr Robert




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,014 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    This makes no sense. The American car market is the largest in the world. Why would they be walking?

    A lot of manufacturing is going to be going back to the United States. The world needs to get used to the idea that the wealth and jobs that America had spread through open markets to other countries is being brought back on shore.

    Everywhere that is not the US in the west is going to get poorer after decades of exploiting pax Americana. That's the bottom line.

    The foreign car manufacturures will have no choice but to base new manufacturing in the US to serve the market.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    I'm assuming this is an effort to not only get more American manufactured cars sold, but also tempt foreign automakers to build factories in the states? If that was the case, would governments around the world not just put pressure on car makers to NOT build in America?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭jojofizzio


    sweet baby jeeezus….thats a whole ‘nother level of ignorance…on so many fronts😫



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 22,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod: Frank Bullitt can't come to the forum right now so please don't quote their posts.

    If you can't respond civilly to a poster I'd suggest you put them on ignore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,813 ✭✭✭✭briany


    You wouldn't call her a tactful woman, but it's a truthful response in the sense that the US isn't going to take advice from the UK and the 'special relationship' was always probably more one way than anyone wanted to admit.

    It would be helpful if the UK were to take this point on board and commit to working more with local European partners and cooperate on a plan to insulate us all from the mounting insanity of the US government because I really don't think it's going to abate any time soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,088 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Or secure a vital trans-Atlantic security facility [Shannon Airport] for the US and him. Road travel distance from Shannon to Doonbeg is approx 63 Km.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭cunnifferous


    All tarrifs do is make things more expensive now, in the longer term hope that some jobs/factorys relocate. So yes cars will be getting more expensive for Americans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,088 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    It seems to me that while all this tariff warring Trump is involved with is a smokescreen for a probable battle he is waging against the independence of the US court system, which he is employing his "expel the aliens" executive order powers to foment. He wants to destroy that court system by picking fights which will end up before SCOTUS for decision. He hopes to use SCOTUS to cut off the lower [incl the Appeal] courts from the whole system set in the constitution defining the balancing act in Govt. If SCOTUS finds for Trump, they, as part of the house of cards, will fall to him, they will have ceded executive power fully to him with no one left to call a a halt to his supremacy.

    He has signed an EO imposing a 25% tariff on car imports and said he intends doing the same for medical imports to the US, specifically naming Ireland by name in that regard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,117 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    You wouldn't call her a tactful woman, but it's a truthful response in the sense that the US isn't going to take advice from the UK and the 'special relationship' was always probably more one way than anyone wanted to admit.

    I wouldn't call her a truthful one either.

    In any case, I don't think the reporter from the UK was offering any advice. She was merely doing her job and asking a question which this Greene article not only refused to answer honestly, but also started haranguing the reporter.

    But, you're correct in that the "special relationship" was more often than not a one way transaction, certainly since Britain ended up playing second fiddle to the US after the Second World War ended. Maybe it's time for Britain to wake up, be honest with themselves, and realise that. Because the evidence of hostility toward Europe (and I include Britain in that) is there for everyone to see in the comments of the people currently occupying the White House and the sycophants orbiting it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,088 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    If ever there was an extension of the middle digit to others outside his gang, that's it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You do realise that a load of manufacturers aren't gonna relocate a huge proportion of operations during a 4 year term? I'd also say they far less likely to set up such operations as an economic crisis kicks off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    the US isn't going to take advice from the UK

    Have I missed a bit of the clip or have I just seen a journalist / reporter attempt to ask a question and then the onslaught?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,252 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Shirley SCOTUS finding for Trump would be an own goal for SCOTUS?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,813 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I mean this in more a general sense. The US isn't really interested in what the UK has to say when viewpoints diverge, especially in the time of Trump. He and those around him will express this in a blunt and caustic way if/when it comes up. Previous administrations would have sugar-coated it a bit more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,139 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Moving manufacturing back to the US would take years to do, you couldn't possibly do it in months (very complex supply chains etc). You can't just switch international trade on and off like a tap - Trump will likely be dead before this manufacturing would be up and running properly.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,354 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I find it perplexing that more is not made of the fact that Trump has no authority to impose tariffs in the first place in the manner in which he is doing them. The GOP really just do love making themselves irrelevant in their desire to prostrate before Trump.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Why are they even bothering with questions at all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,813 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Trump in his latest press conference reiterating his talking point of "Yeah, Ireland's really screwing us over on trade, but they're smart to do it, and we really love them."

    It's like the international political equivalent of a chippy drunk man trying to get close to you in the pub car park so he can hit you.

    "C'mere to me, mate. You're fxxkin' sound, do ye know that??!" [WHAM!!]



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,534 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Tariffs are something Trump can effectively impose with the stroke of a pen without going through going through the legislative process is my understanding of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,088 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Yes, He's angling to get them to neuter themselves using the "Official Duties of the President" angle. If SCOTUS, as the highest Federal Court in the land, find he had the right to use the Aliens act, contrary to the lower Federal courts rulings to now where it comes to expelling aliens of all kinds now on any basis he chooses on advice from his own crew, it will destroy the lower Federal courts standing on all fronts. No one will bother going to those lower courts then. SCOTUS depends on business being referred to it for hearing or reversion to those courts.

    However, the above is how I see things might go given the specific circumstances I outlined. Things may well turn out completely differently.

    Edit note: deleted War and replaced it with Aliens above…

    Post edited by aloyisious on


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,354 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It has become that way de facto it seems, but de jure the President can only do it for some specific reasons. Mostly around national security etc. But no one seems to care anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Just watched a clip from White House press briefing earlier when leavitt refused a follow up question from kaitlan Collins of cnn. I know journalists are there to ask important questions and hold the president to account but ,my god, at this stage I don't know why they bother. It's infuriating to watch and I'm not even American.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,014 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    There is this notion doing the rounds that "don't worry, in 4 years he'll be gone and so will his changes".

    Biden didn't only not undo Trump's tariffs from Trump's first term, he increased them. So don't rely on the Democrats - particularly don't rely on them if Trump's actions work and create a lot of jobs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Biden's tariffs were in large measure directed at curbing Chinese economic power, and also at protecting strategic industries. As such they had more rationale behind them than Trumps wild, self-destuctive and punitive tariffs, more often directed at allies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,014 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    All I'm saying is we shouldn't adapt our own policies on the assumption the Democrats will bail us out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,974 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    No,we should adapt to regard America in the same category as Russia,we are gone alot beyond tarrif discussions



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