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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning added to OP 10/1/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,535 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    There's about 40 US military bases in Europe. Do they pay rent? If so is it mates rates? How about Brussels issues a rent review notification, if the US thinks they are bailing us out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,014 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Considering Hegseth is apparently an heroic alcoholic does that qualify him as a DEI hire?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,431 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,561 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭eire4


    Or since the US hate us so much and we are such spongers then the US should be told go ahead so and pack up your bases and leave.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭eire4


    I think you just nailed it for post of the day with that zinger. Outstanding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,275 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    So the POTUS is either lying about nor knowing (which he 100% is) or he as POTUS hasn't a clue about one of the biggest security breachs in US military history.

    As was posted already, can you imagine the uproar, nay the absolute screams of thus had happened under Biden. And if Biden had come out and said he simply hadn't a clue about it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,535 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    If Biden said he didn't know about a particular social media, it at least would be plausible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,094 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Greenland is bracing itself for an official state visit by the US 2nd lady this week accompanied by Waltz, as of today. It'll be interesting to see if the visitors guest list is changed by request of either party before the day or if a diplomatic flu will postpone it. The locals could always ask Waltz if he knew the date for its annexation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭eire4




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭ollkiller


    That Atlantic story shows the level of amateurs we are dealing with in this administration. Absolute insane carry on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,561 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    They just have to tell Greenland officials that they aren’t serious and only joking, that’s according to a few posters here anyway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,829 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    A big part of the US strategy post WW2 was fir the de-militarization of Europe, including its allies who had won WW2 with them.

    Eisenhower felt European countries were prone to conflict and so wanted to clip their claws so to speak. Hence the US actually seeking to dominate the security space.

    America has done very very little since it's foundation "for the good of others", they are always acting in their own beat interests. As evidenced by Stephen Miller wondering what to extract from Europe and Egypt as payment for the US attacking the Houthis.

    This administration is bringing the world closer to WW3 with all this anti-diplomacy and aggression. Remember when the MAGAts told us Trump was a peacemaker, he's the most outwardly aggressive President since the Bushes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,121 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Agreed.

    Western Europe, as a whole, needs to be extremely careful about what they share with America now. A nation that is now on the side of another nation, Russia, who actively wants to see harm come to western part of the continent. There can be no wavering on this matter. The US has been turned into an absolute shitshow under Trump and his billionaire coup, who'll not balk on destroying anything they deem to be a threat to themselves, even if they're a national ally.

    These people and the useful idiots that support them are extremely dangerous to the stability of the world…and this is only the beginning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 734 ✭✭✭PixelCrafter


    Seems Charles de Gaulle was right about not quite trusting the Americans …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,168 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Pete telling it like it is ...

    IMG_20250325_000441_339.jpg

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Surely now the Magamaniacs can see how messed up their vote has made America, right?.........…right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,512 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    RE that security breach - the Trumpers here should really just sit down and have a little think to themselves (I'm sure it's possible, or at least I hope they can think) of what would've happened to Biden or Harris if this had happened on their watch. Trump basically made his political career on the "lock her up" thing and now his own administration is making war plans on Signal with a journalist in the group. I know it won't make a blind bit of difference because in a week, something else just as dumb will have replaced this in the news cycle, but people really need to start waking up to the sh*t these people are shovelling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,365 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    So Dump claims he knows nothing about it and Pete the Pisshead is trying to trash the reporter and say he’s spreading misinformation…and of course the MAGAlomaniacs are lapping it up and saying there’s nothing to see…Fox news saying that the conversation shows the leadership in the admin. **** laughable.
    And these other clowns off to Greenland. Why don’t Greenland just refuse them entry and tell them they’re not wanted, with the rhetoric being peddled by Dump and Vance?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    I'll tell you what, people keep talking about JD Vance being the future of MAGA.

    I think Pete Hegseth could well be putting down his own marker for that title.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,014 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    It would be the end of the Western world and the Western civilization if a Trump lead US would invade Greenland by military force.

    If Greenland should ever join the US, it would have to be a referendum, - one which isn't influenced by social media or tools like this. It would be only the choice of Greenlanders to chose their future, and the US to accpect if they did so, as a 2nd step.

    But a military invasion or other kind of threats of tariffs would be unacceptable.

    The thing is, under Trump 2.0 the damage will be permanent. Also the issue is, how do you trust somebody, sign a treaty, with somebody who isn't to be trusted at any stage. It wouldn't be worth the paper it's written on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It would be unacceptable, but it's not as if it would be the first time that the US undertook a roundly condemned invasion.

    If it did happen, it would likely happen after the US left NATO and completed its geopolitical realignment. There's not a lot that Europe could do about it militarily. Some economic sanctions and vigorous head shaking.

    But I don't think it would be the end of western civisation, unless European leaders completely threw in the towel. It would just underscore the US's leaving of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,535 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Denmark is in NATO, so NATO would have to mobilize under the unlikely event of an invasion. I don't see it happening to be honest. I think this talk is Trump trying misdirection.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,015 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Think about how easy it would be for the US to go into partnership with Greenland if they weren't run by an absolute loon.

    56,000 people so maybe 30,000 people people eligible to vote in a referendum for independence, them you will have a 50/50 split so realistically you might only need to influence 5000 people to vote for independence and you have a billionaire who controls the biggest social media site and unlimited funds from the US to promise investment, it would have been incredibly simple



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Article 5 of NATO says that in the event of an attack on a member country, other NATO countries should take measures they deem necessary to provide aid. It doesn't mandate military action, per se. That's just one option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,170 ✭✭✭chasm


    Rubio on X

    "The United States will not tolerate any third-countries or their oil companies producing, extracting, or exporting oil and oil-related products with the Maduro regime in Venezuela. This is a regime that has consistently stolen elections, pillaged from its people, and colluded with our enemies. Any country that allows its companies to produce, extract, or export from Venezuela will be subject to new tariffs, and any companies will be subject to sanctions."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,561 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    What’s interesting about this, Venezuela produces the type of oil that refineries in the states use, the other major supplier being Canada, who they have a trade war with.

    Where exactly do they think they can get the raw materials to survive this?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,543 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    You would think, but we don't.

    Officially Signal is not an authorised form of communication for doing Army business, but everyone up to the highest level is perfectly aware that it is the default for anything which isn't classified simply because it's the most practical way of communicating: We can get the job done, or we can complain about how we've no system for doing it. I've not been in a unit in years which doesn't use Signal as the de-facto method of co-ordination. There are systems for use in classified environments which do work quite well, but the catch with that is that they are only of use when you're sitting…well… in a classified environment, which is a very defined location.

    That said, someone obviously wasn't paying attention when they made the group chat!



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,543 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    It was certainly stupid, which goes back to the issue of possible censure by Congress. Will heads roll? I doubt it, though the National Security Council and Armed Services Committees have both started looking into it, to start with.

    https://www.axios.com/2025/03/24/congress-yemen-signal-hegseth

    I doubt there's anyone in the military chain of command who doesn't use Signal. It's been an issue identified at the J6 level for years, but nobody's done anything about it yet, probably because there is no affordable alternative. Still, Four months ago the FBI recommended that people (everyone, not just government) move to apps like Signal because it was considered more secure.

    https://www.npr.org/2024/12/17/nx-s1-5223490/text-messaging-security-fbi-chinese-hackers-security-encryption

    The Biden administration had started moving to Signal some time before that. Originally sparingly, but then in the last year became heavier users specifically because of the perceived security against Chinese and Iranian espionage. They seem to have been a bit better about verifying who they added, though.

    This is five days ago, the app is ubiquitous now.

    https://fortune.com/2025/03/20/government-workers-using-encrypted-messaging-apps-signal/

    There were two major claims in the Clinton case. That she used a private server and not a public one, and that she had classified materials.

    Legal opinion on the first was that the use of a private server was not contraordained if records were being kept pursuant to the Federal Records Act. Signal is end-to-end encryption, basically a VPN, and it was presumably between government devices, so that implies compliance with the FRA.

    The other claim, of classified materials, is harder to validate on either side. However, the definitions of what should be considered classified is found here. https://sgp.fas.org/library/quist2/chap_7.html

    From the definitions and examples found there and what I've been able to gather from the articles, the information would have been considered at least "Confidential." That doesn't trigger the requirements of a SCIF or secret networks. Maybe some information would have been "Secret", I presume the investigating agencies will come to a conclusion on that.

    Regardless, even the most secure system is going to fail when someone does something stupid.



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