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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    This, exactly. There is no middle ground online. There never was.
    Once he veered away from making light hearted content online, with his reach, he was always going to illicit a negative response, no matter what he said on the topic.
    Unfortunately his comment to my ears were ‘I don’t like McGregor BUT….’

    He’d lost at that point.


    I don’t buy his ‘I’ve been inundated with demands to speak out on this’. I’m sure he gets 1000’s of messages asking him to promote charities for free, come speak at my school, save the whales etc, everyday. How he picked this topic out of the bucket to go off brand, we’ll never know.

    As for him being silenced, he hasn’t been. In olden days if you didn’t want the phone to ring you took it off the hook. He’s done the modern day equivalent.
    Actually, isn’t his mother an Italian immigrant too? Maybe I’m imagining that I read that somewhere last year

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    If his mother is Italian that’s irrelevant. He never said all immigration was bad. You’re proving why it’s impossible to say anything on this subject. Criticism of how immigration is handled is not proof of hating immigrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,933 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    That is exactly what happens ..but not as you imply on one side ,. It happens both ways .

    Look at some of those NGO volunteers and their treatment here and on other media .

    Gas how some playing the victim are themselves as bad when discussing those on the opposing side.

    Abuse is abuse no matter who it comes from and is not just the preserve of the left or the right

    Post edited by Goldengirl on


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 58,422 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod: Let's try and get back on topic now folks - further discussion on Garron can go into the thread in AH:



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭Zico !


    As Michael Martin has admitted about the majority of immigrants being economic immigrants you can see why people are angry the question is are this government going to do anything.They are planting IPAS centers all over the country 2 more in Thurles and another in Galway.

    Social cohesion is falling apart due to this issue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,050 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    I just think it's crazy that the country was up in arms over spending 2 billion on a new hospital and yet we are handing that to hotel operators every year now, it's an absolute money making racket and no doubt the people making the most money have friends in high places

    Time is contagious, everybody's getting old.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 58,422 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod: Once again posters are reminded to read the OP and the rules contained within, in particular no anecdotes. Several posts deleted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,252 ✭✭✭jackboy


    It's easy to accept now when the country is raking in plenty tax. When the next crash happens and taxes rise, social welfare benefits are cut and jobs become scarce, then people will not accept the 2 billion spend.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭Zico !


    I disagree this is not acceptable the country is a mess with an abysmal health system and poor services and they are wasting it on this farce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,343 ✭✭✭prunudo


    What I don't understand is why people aren't up in arms over the government waste. It's almost like after years of government mismanagement of funds, people just are desensitised to corruption and cronyism.

    The big question I have is, where is the money coming from, because there seems to be a bottomless pit to help the immigration system. Yet other service's struggle.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    It's our money. Our taxes. That's where's it's coming from so keep paying up.

    The real question to ask is this - where is the money going to come from when we don't have it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,713 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Denmark elected politicians to take action on immigration, asylum seeker numbers have collapsed. They didn't have American mncs corporation tax to pee away on it n soon enough we won't either.

    Danish prime minister pulling no punches - "mass migration a threat to daily life in Europe " while we still have Simon Harris not answering any questions except to claim dog whistling. Weak men create hard times as the saying goes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,127 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Can you clarify if posts about garron in relation to immigration can go here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,343 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Collectively it might be our taxes, but majority is coming from fdi, you, I and other posters tax money can't afford this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Right beside Sweden and unlike some didn't ignore the reality of what was going on there. Denmark are a clear indication of what can be done and how the 'obligations' can be ignored. It would be great if we could learn something from them rather than just allowing the current free for all and hope for the best policies. I suspect it's too lucrative an industry now for anything much to be done until it becomes completely unamanageable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    In 2023 88 billion was collected in revenue by the government. 33 billion came from direct taxation, VAT 20 billion [all paid by the citizen]. Corporation Tax was 23.8 billion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,667 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    When are they dropping vat back to 21%.

    Seems to be something that was overlooked since the financial crash

    They care do much about the cost of living of their constituents



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭dabbler2004


    An update on Thurles IPAS proposed accommodation: Michael Lowry announced on Facebook last night that the proposed development has been withdrawn. The second alleged IPAS accommodation was apparently a renewal of a Section 5 to a property currently housing Ukrainian families.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/donohoe-no-cost-of-living-package-budget-will-focus-on-enterprise-economy-in-face-of-trade-war/

    No cost of living measures incoming. No election until 2029. The government must be hoping that the immigrants we're paying for might have considered getting a job by then.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 58,422 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Nope there's a seperate thread now so no need to conflate the two points.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,687 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Newstalk ~11:20 today:

    Did I hear that right, that 3% of total tax revenue is spent on refugee accommodation? A transfer of public wealth to private entities providing accommodation

    And 200 men are sleeping on a hotel ballroom floor?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,425 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Mod Edit: Warned for uncivil posting

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,416 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Maybe we’ll get the IMF /Troika in again to sort out the mess. We only exited the bailout in 2013 and looks like we went straight back to our old ways. Just spending on a different hooley / bubble this time around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,050 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Sorry I'll post this link again in case anyone missed it, 2 billion a year on Ukrainians and refugees pissed down the drain while our health service is a shambles

    Citywest earns €1.3m a week from accommodating refugees

    https://www.independent.ie/business/citywest-earns-13m-a-week-from-accommodating-refugees/a232250779.html

    Time is contagious, everybody's getting old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,281 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    Years? We've had decades of this Gombeenomic policy. The few connected gorge at the trough paid for by the taxpayer. Always have, always will. We peons get a few hundred euros tax "credit" every now and then, a pat on the head and gaslit if we try and protest it.

    Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,667 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Ill finish your post. "For the elite factions of our society yet again.:



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mod - warned for ignoring moderator instruction re anecdotes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,089 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Yup another one for Thurles

    A second asylum centre has been approved for Thurles, Co. Tipperary, just days after a first one was announced this week, according to a local councillor.

    On Wednesday this week it was revealed that a Section 5 permission has been granted by Tipperary County Council to Kilbrin Homes Ltd. for exempted development status at a building in Mitchel Street, Thurles.

    When will the madness stop, when will our government stop funding the destruction of communities.

    I dont really care if it's for Ukrainian, it's just an excuse now to get one foot in the door for IPAS. Why would you provide accommodation for Ukrainians at this point when there could be peace shortly, it's a scam on the local communities.

    It's like the modular houses in Clonmel, they are still building them for Ukrainians, nearly 500k a pop for what could be peace shortly, why are they doing that…..

    No wonder there's alot of anger in rural Ireland when the government run roughshod over your community and bypasses planning laws.

    This government has really broken it's social contract with its citizens



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,343 ✭✭✭prunudo


    If or when that happens, it will be game over for Ireland as we know it. The vultures will circle and carve up the country and the gripe we have currently with immigration or anything else the government does badly, will be chicken feed compared to what would follow.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,816 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Mod Edit: Warned for ignoring mod instruction.

    Post edited by Necro on


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