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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,035 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Carol Nolan brought up housing and immigration to Simon today also, reduce demand by closing borders, tightening restrictions

    I think we have to stop being a free for all also for those from the UK and EU countries, really limit whom we take in from everywhere, stop being treasure Ireland

    Does Tipperary have any TDs besides Mattie, that will speak out? It really is being destroyed, Mattie said on the VM tonight show that in Dundrum the number of IPAS was higher than the population as Ukrainians were moved on for other IPAS



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,656 ✭✭✭✭Headshot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,245 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    ~35,500 Ukrainians are currently being housed by 19,000 hosts who get €800pm. Scheme extended until April 2026 https://www.thejournal.ie/ukrainian-accommodation-payment-scheme-cut-6655079-Mar2025/

    So that is a nationwide €600pm room rental floor



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,035 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    The puppet master doing nothing for his constituents

    I think Mattie is the only one I've heard talk about Tipperary and the IPAS situation there, he also said on Tonight show that there was some truth to what Conor said



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,009 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    I didn't see the interation. How did she propose to close the borders?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭tom23


    Did he call her a dog whistler? his default answer to everything to do with immigration. I thought this government were pulling back on this ipas madness, it feels like they are ramping it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,656 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Yes Mattie has been one of the good ones and always there to support Dundrum



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,245 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Mentioned Weds by Nolan in context of housing costs. Did not state how though.

    We have an immigration crisis that is overwhelming our accommodation capacity. I have tabled a number of parliamentary questions to the Minister's Department in the past week on this very issue. Unfortunately, the responses I have received so far are less than encouraging. If we cannot meet supply, we must cut demand. That means effectively closing our borders and our services to tens of thousands who are here and who are expected to arrive here without any legal right to be here, but who still claim accommodation. https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/2025-03-19/13/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,009 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Ah ok just a cheap soundbite. She might be the next US president.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,245 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Nolan would not, as was not born in the US

    Denmark, Sweden and others closed their land borders to migrants in recent years, so it is possible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,009 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    I was being sarcastic. She is just using the playbook with terms like "overwhelming" and "closing our borders" that some people lap up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,035 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I don't think she did, I'll try and see if I can find full video or transcript



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,035 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,009 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    It's a slogan "closing our borders" a soundbite nothing else.

    If she said no tax on wages or free electricity for all the same people would aplaude.

    Would you be in favour of a return to a hard border between ROI\NI and the end of the common travel area yourself as you seem to agree with her?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,035 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    It looks like Garron Noone has been cancelled for giving his view on immigration, he is a funny culchie content creator fella, been on TLLS a few times and hosted a podcast



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,285 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's been pointed out that the overwhelming number of Ukrainian people who have been offered accommodation by host families are staying in properties that have never been rented out before. So the only issue is whether the government should be funding it or not : it's not really contributing to the housing / accommodation crisis at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    You are completely correct, this thread is full of lies and far-right agitators. We are trying to build a modern, inclusive, multicultural Ireland, but the racists hate it.

    If it wasn't for immigrants, this country would fall into the ground. The health system would collapse tomorrow without migrants. All foreign investment would leave as there'd be no one to work in the tech companies. Pensions and welfare would go unpaid as there'd be no workers left paying taxes.

    Ireland is a very wealthy country and we can certainly afford to spend a tiny fraction of that to help improve the lives of those fleeing war, famine and persecution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    I agree, 'close our borders' is a ridiculous soundbite that will never and shouldn't happen.

    However, it would be nice to have border security strong enough to stop a convicted rapist entering the country to repeat his crime. One that was refused re-entry to the UK by a ferry company after he did allegedly repeat that crime.

    Surely there has to be a way to stop this happening again. If it makes gaining entry to the country more difficult, so be it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,009 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    So what is your solution?

    Easy as it is to use a single case like this and say burn the house down to get rid of a spider.

    Same question I asked the poster you decided to reply on their behalf.

    Would you be in favour of a return to a hard border between ROI\NI and the end of the common travel area?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭engineerws


    It's strange, people in affluent areas can be completely blind to the plight of those in non affluent areas. It's happened to me too since moving out of Dublin. I was just chatting with a chap on Paddy's Day who is a builder renting with his family, there's no path for him and his family towards home ownership. They could be evicted like so many I knew when we lived in a less affluent area.

    Nevermind those suffering coming here from war zones, it seems we can't even afford to help those already living and working here.

    It seems to me some live in parallel worlds. Everyone wants to help but it seems we can't help everyone, meaning hard decisions have to be made with our limited resources. I don't know the answer but hopefully examining the reality benevolently will yield the best solutions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭dublin49


    The nonsense we are a wealthy country is never challenged,we have a national debt of nearly 250 billion,a country with creaking infrastructure,Health care and a multitude of issues that are all being kicked down the road.Our wealth is very much tied to a handful of Multi Nationals that could disappear pretty sharpish if Trump does what he says he intends.

    The biggest of these issues is immigration ,or potentially it is as apparently we must accept practically every applicant no matter how tenous their claim.We hear that 80% of applicants are refused and then through numerous appeal channels they mostly stay and those we ask to leave are still supported if they don't.

    You infer that anyone who doesnt subcribe to your view of how Ireland should stand on immigration is a racist,name calling always suggests to me a desperation that the name caller needs to use to bolster their argument .

    My view is the government are in a bind,they know its getting out of hand,they have very successfully muzzled most opposition but they are running out of road.They lack the courage to do what Denmark have done and get serious about reducing the influx,I also think the majority view of the electorate that populate the middle ground are changing to an anti immigration view,from mostly being supportive a few years ago.Opinions change when circumstances change.

    I think very shortly there will be another surge of Asylum seekers when Israel moves to clear Gazza and we should be a destination of choice given Simon's pointless virtual signalling on that war.

    Given the incompetence of successive Governments in dealing with this issue I suspect you will get your Multi cultural country,hope for all our sakes it turns out the way you envisage.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    Burn the house down to get rid of a spider? Nice use of incendiary language.

    Maybe in this particular case information should have been shared between the ferry company that had the awareness to refuse this individual re-entry to the UK and the Irish government who let him in without a care in the world. Hardly burning the house down, is it.

    And to answer your question, no, of course I don't want a hard border for the north and the EU. I would support better checks on entry though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭no.8


    I have to say, what a great comment. I really loth the lack of balanced debates in the 21st century, where people in public are not afraid of being cancelled for moderate views, which could be called common sense by the majority (imo).

    We are a small country, tiny in comparison to some of the nations we're receiving immigrants from. I am for immigration but surely most people would feel that it needs to be in a controlled manner, and possibly weighted on a skills, or value-add basis (like in other nations). This is different for refugees fleeing actual conflicts but that's also sadly not an unlimited pot which we can effectively leave as is.

    Why do we lack such a backbone when it comes to strategic longterm planning at leadership levels, for major areas (immigration, housing, transport, etc. ). It makes you wonder if it will ever change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    He's massive internationally and in Ireland and he talked absolutely sense. Someone uploaded what he said to twitter. He shouldn't give in to the far left. People are really waking up to the scam, thank god he spoke out because unlike McGregor he seems like an all round good guy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,035 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I hope he is OK as I believe he suffered mental health issues previously, no one should be bullied or called racist for speaking out



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,578 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    How exactly has he been cancelled? I just watched some of his video. But I agree with, bits I don’t. No racism, no alarmism. Let him off

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,578 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    He seems perfectly fine, apart from some far right idiots thinking he’s one of them.

    You seem to think something is happening that absolutely isn’t.

    https://extra.ie/2025/03/20/entertainment/celebrity/garron-noone-far-right-claims

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭riddles


    Our tax payer ratio is going from 5-1 to 2-1 in less than twenty years. We are heavily reliant on corporation tax and our current public sector and old age pensions are under funded in a significant way. The money being squandered at the moment on the immigration industry is not helping with the above. We are essentially writing cheques we can’’t cash.

    Wealthy country we most definitely are not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Corporate tax windfall is very temporary. Depending on this to fund the country is madness to be honest.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Yes. Just before the IMF came in to bail us out the country was considered extremely rich and the government was throwing money around like confetti.

    Our wealth was on shaky foundations then, based on one sector, just like now.



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