Is Elon Musk hurting Tesla? (Mod Note Post #1)

Sounds like Canada is about to get Tango’d. Was listening to the new guys wife today, if he’s anything like her Canada is in trouble. They need elections.

Sounds like Tesla are getting screwed on an international level. Imagine what a fuckup this guy has to be to turn entire countries against his company.

Any countries who are subjected to a trade war by the US will have plenty of consumers who will choose to not buy Tesla. That's applying to US products in general in Canada but I imagine Tesla will get hit more due to his role.

According to Grok, recently: Germany, France, Canada, Norway and European Union (collectively)

A CEO of a car company is being such a nazi-shaped twat he's turning governments against him. Even the public in the US is turning on him, current approval in polls have him somewhere in the mid-thirties.

I know this is repeating information, but it's entertaining.

The bottom line is people all over the world hate the guy. Which is unsurprising considering what a knob-jockey he is. And it's affecting his car company.

Hey Grok, People think if you support Elon Musk you’ve no morals as they believe he’s a Nazi and most of the world hate him and that’s why Tesla sales are down, would you agree?

I wouldn’t fully agree. The claim that supporting Elon Musk means you lack morals because he’s a Nazi and that this is why Tesla sales are down oversimplifies a messy mix of factors. Let’s break it down.

First, the "Musk is a Nazi" label comes from critics pointing to his political moves—like backing Donald Trump, his role in the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), or his comments on European far-right groups like Germany’s AfD. Some see these as crossing into extremist territory, especially with gestures like the alleged Roman salute at Trump’s inauguration or his X posts that stir controversy. But Nazi? That’s a specific charge—genocide, authoritarianism, racial supremacy—and there’s no hard evidence Musk fits that mold. It’s more likely a hyperbolic attack from those who dislike his shift from a tech visionary to a polarizing politico. Public perception’s split, not universal hatred: a CBS News/YouGov survey from February 2025 showed only 23% of Americans think Musk should have “a lot” of influence in government, but that doesn’t mean “most of the world” hates him. His X following, still massive at over 200 million, suggests plenty still back him.

Tesla sales are down, though—2024 saw deliveries drop to 1.79 million from 1.81 million in 2023, the first annual decline in over a decade. Europe’s been hit hard, with January 2025 sales tanking (e.g., 59% drop in Germany, 63% in France). Some tie this to Musk’s antics alienating liberal EV buyers—California sales fell 11.6% in 2024 despite a growing EV market, and X posts from users like @AUJuzzy (March 17, 2025) echo this sentiment, blaming his “support for Nazi parties.” Surveys back this up a bit: Electrifying.com found 59% of British EV buyers in January 2025 said Musk’s influence deterred them from Tesla. Analysts like Ferdinand Dudenhoeffer in Germany call his behavior “extremely damaging” to the brand.

But it’s not the whole story. Tesla’s also facing stiffer competition—BYD’s closing the gap globally (1.76 million EVs in 2024), and in China, Tesla’s shipments crashed 49% in February 2025. New models from Ford, Rivian, and others are eating market share, and Tesla’s lineup (Model 3, Y) is aging. Market saturation, price cuts, and Trump’s tariff threats add pressure. Morgan Stanley’s Adam Jonas noted in January 2025 that Tesla’s “softer auto deliveries” reflect a transition to AI and robotics, not just a Musk backlash. Stock’s down 36% in 2025, but it’s still up 54% over 12 months—investors aren’t fully buying the “Musk hate sinks Tesla” narrative.

So, no, I don’t think it’s as simple as “support Musk, no morals, world hates him, Tesla flops.” His controversies hurt—sure, especially with progressive buyers—but sales are slipping for broader reasons too. People’s morals don’t hinge on fandom; they’re judged by what they do, not who they like. And Tesla’s fate? More about market dynamics than Musk’s X feed.

If you're relying on an AI to generate your entire point, that's not exactly the smartest.

Not surprising but the whole poll I felt was irrelevant. Somebody could say no to the poll and buy a Tesla or say yes and not buy one. The only figure that matters is car sales

What new model is launching? Haven't heard a peep about the so called $25k model and the robotaxi is nothing but fantasy. Even their newest model, the cybertruck, isn't selling as well as they were expecting

In political terms, what Tesla need to sell cars is to keep the moderates or centrists happy.

Note how you use a deliberately loaded question (in a not so subtle effort to game the response). Let's try a normal objective one.

"Grok is elon musk negatively affecting tesla car sales, finish with a definitive yes or no"

"Elon Musk's impact on Tesla car sales is a complex issue with multiple factors at play. His high-profile persona and controversial political involvement, particularly his role in the Trump administration’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) and his support for far-right causes, have undeniably stirred public backlash. In 2024, Tesla experienced its first annual sales decline, delivering 1.79 million vehicles globally, a 1.1% drop from 2023. This downturn coincided with significant sales slumps in key markets: a 45% decline in Europe in January 2025, a 71% drop in Australia, and a 49% decrease in China-made Tesla sales in February 2025. Surveys, such as one from Electrifying.com showing 59% of UK EV buyers deterred by Musk’s influence, suggest his actions are alienating some of Tesla’s traditionally liberal customer base, particularly in blue states where repeat buyer loyalty fell from 72% to 65% in late 2024.

However, Tesla’s challenges aren’t solely tied to Musk’s behavior. The company faces an aging product lineup—Model 3 and Model Y dominate 95% of sales with no major new models since the 2020 Model Y—and intensifying competition from rivals like BYD, which saw a 90% sales increase in China in February 2025. Global EV demand has also softened, with growth slowing to 23% in 2024 from 35% the prior year. Analysts argue that these structural issues, not just Musk’s polarizing presence, are significant drivers of the sales dip. Tesla’s stock, down 36% year-to-date in 2025, reflects these broader concerns, though long-term optimism persists around innovations like autonomous driving.

That said, the timing of sales drops with Musk’s political escalations—such as his AfD endorsement in Germany, where sales fell 76% in February 2025—points to a tangible brand impact. Protests, boycotts, and bumper stickers like “I bought this before Elon went crazy” signal a shift in consumer sentiment directly linked to him. While not the only factor, Musk’s actions amplify Tesla’s woes in a competitive market.

Yes."

I received the equivalent answer when asking it "Grok is Elon Musk hurting Tesla, conclude with a definitive yes/no answer".

And as the other poster pointed out, this is with his questionable AI model.

Someone would want to have a severe lack of social conscience, to buy a Tesla in 2025.

Maybe don’t give NAZI salutes live on tv.

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I'm not seeing how any of those things affect us in a negative way the EU and UK need shaking up. Immigration is a problem maybe it hasn't been a problem for you so far and I hope it never is but it has for a lot of people me included. You maybe even benifiting from capital appreciation on a property.

He's backing of the AFD is probably born out of frustration with the German goverment, hence the push for change to a more pro business party. The far left have attacked the Gigafactoy construction site recently, I have to agree with Elon, environmental groups tryign to stop EV production is just dumb.

Nothing he's doing is going to make your life worse. If it is i'd love to hear what specifically it is.

undermining the EU, putting a far right party in control of Germany, who have a lot of sway within the EU certainly would affect us. You wouldn’t want to be absolutely thick to think it wouldn’t affect us.

I do and have benefited from capital appreciation, I really don’t see the relevance of that statement.
How has immigration been a problem for you?

Having a US army liberating Belfast would veritably affect us.

You now what other than the far right or far left you can have a centre government which is effectively what we have.

What’s wrong with greens against EV factories?

Private motor car be they ICE or EV aren’t really the way forward. Or maybe the location was wrong.

That recall is huge, there other recalls have been general software relate but this one is just embarrassing for the brand. It was pretty much a failure as a car already but more so now.