Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

So Hamas are solely to blame for the brutal acts of October 7th, and are also mostly to blame for every brutal and horrific act Israel has carried out on Palestinians civilians since?

The numbers provided by the Health Ministry of Gaza have been shown to be accurate or underestimated so what are you actually giving out about? Would you prefer there was no Health Ministry? What has Hamas got to do with the accuracy around the numbers of dead? See the Lancet articles above.

By the way, Carpet Bombing has been considered a war crime since 1977 (Article 51 of Geneva Conventions) but good to know you are fine with it as long as a Hamas terrorist might be killed too. Jesus Christ, why do I bother? What ratio is acceptable to you in terms of Civilian:Hamas during these carpet bombings? 900:1 ok? Will you advocate for carpet bombing to be unbanned now? Good to know you care.

If Hamas had surrendered on October 8th, releasing every single hostage, and handing over the ringleaders of the terrorist attack on Israel, I believe not a single shell or missile would have been launched at Gaza by Israel.

You are also responsible for what you don't do.

As I said, if Hamas had surrendered on October 8th, releasing every single hostage, and handing over the ringleaders of the terrorist attack on Israel, I believe not a single shell or missile would have been launched at Gaza by Israel.

I can't know that, just like you can't know that Hamas are reporting casualties accurately, yet you tell me I can't believe the former but I must believe the latter.

I know what carpet bombing is. I just took it as a given that you have decided to use that term to refer to the current wave of airstrikes in Gaza. The misuse of military terms is standard fare for supporters of Palestine and Hamas. The numbers haven't been shown to be accurate. As I said before, the Health Ministry of Gaza (Hamas) is providing those numbers.

I just want to remind you and all of the pro-Palestine supporters that this could have been avoided if the hostages had been returned. The lack of empathy and compassion for those hostages is unbelievable.

You used the term carpet bombing before I did. I responded to your post. And you seemed perfectly happy to use it. You got it in 3 times in fact. The mask slipped a little didn't it?

Now you are using the term "wave of airstrikes". That's quaint. You could possibly add "on refugee camps" there?

Re casualty numbers - are you saying the Lancet journal article is wrong or did you read it?

Re hostages, carpet bombing Gaza could kill hostages accidentally. Wouldn't it have been better to continue the ceasefire and the hostage handover? Seriously, at least be honest with yourself...

Taratee quote of the week: "You don’t carpet bomb civilians; you carpet bomb an area". Well done. Gaza being one of the most densely populated areas in the world. No wonder it's flattened.

Remember the Golda Meir quote

"We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children," she said. "But we can never forgive them for forcing us to kill their children."

When Israeli's kill Arabs, it's the Arabs fault.

I assume you also condemn the hostage taking by Israel and call for the immediate release of Palestinians held

If Israel had negotiated terms on Oct 8th instead of commencing their Genocide, they would not have launched a single shell or missile.

Away from Gaza, 870 Palestinians (including 177 children) have died in the West Bank since Oct 7th. The killing of civilians by Israel have been ongoing for decades.

Ok... Ergo, you agree that Israel are responsible for their brutal response to October 7th.

If I'm holding a gun to somebody's head, I have a choice. No matter what that person did, I have a choice. Israel had and has a choice on all this.

This recent wave of airstrikes is so beyond the pale, so disgraceful, it is every bit as bad as October 7th and breaking the fragile peace.

Israel had a route to get the hostages home that they themselves negotiated, did they not? They opted to scrap this and resume blowing up civilians and inflicting more terror on those poor people.

It is indefensible and you people trying to defend this should be absolutely ashamed of yourselves.

Note that the deal agreed to in January of this year had been put forward by Hamas last summer. Israel continued on with its Genocidal campaign for seven months before agreeing to it.

Now Israel has reneged on the deal after 2 months and are continuing their Genocide by not allowing any aid into Gaza (starvation tactics), cutting off the electricity (collective punishment), bombing the rubble of Gaza and now preparing for another land invasion.

And of course, the Israeli hostages will suffer as will Palestinian civilians. All for politics. Disgusting and unbefitting of a so-called Democratic Nation with the "most moral army in the world".

Considering they can't even put the right body in a box, you'll forgive me for not being so blurry when it comes to a terrorist organisation.

It is as simple as that, doesn't need any more complications, additions or whatabouts.

No moral conundrums for Blanche in the face of all this needless death. Spoken like a true extremist.

I take it you won't be answering any further questions on your thoughts then 😉

Denying that tens of thousands have died is all part of the dehumanising of Palestinians. Interestingly, most hardcore Zionists seem to be aware of the death toll but don't really care - their attitude is "Hamas caused all this".

It's more your far right, racist types in the West who are into outright denial the slaughter is even happening.