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Hamas strike on Israel

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,956 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Is it because they are muslim? I would hope and expect younger Irish people see the nonsense and perils associated with religion. Are people maybe on a wind up? Is it that people are incapable of changing their minds about situations? Is that not cool or something? I honestly don't get it. I'd be so embarrassed and ashamed if I was trying to justify the bombings of women and children in refugee camps. Is there no honour anymore?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    So Israel are witholding all food entering Gaza, to prevent it being stolen.

    So this is a noble endeavour then, and they are simply looking after Gazans and stopping their food being robbed.

    But wait, if they withhold food the Gazans will starve anyway.

    That's grand is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,279 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Well, some people not only lack empathy, they also lack the ability to feel shame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,956 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I remember when the war started, the IDF got a special pleasure from bombing refugee camps. Day after day they bombed refugees camps and of course hospitals. All of that was defended and it was very early days. I was astounded.

    It was like Netanyahu decided to start with the worst possible acts and somehow normalise them. It worked for some!

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,623 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I don't think you understand the points that people are making. I am very sad at what is happening in Gaza, that people are suffering and being killed.

    But I am clear that the blame for this lies primarily with Hamas. Hamas have chosen to put their own wealth, their own prosperity and their own egos above the safety and security of their own people. They are like the Japanese generals who wanted to fight on to the last man in the face of overwhelming destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    How evil do you have to be as leaders to bring down unnecessary suffering on your own people?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    It was Amnesty International that reported the figure of 174 children killed in Gaza yesterday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,159 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    40-50 years of an anti-Arab/Muslim sentiment rammed down the West's throat to justify bombing the **** out people in that part of the world may have something to do with it, or perhaps there are folks who are fearful that once the Hamas lads are done with stealing Gazan Aid they'll be clearing out a Centra near you.

    Either way it lacks a certain amount of consistency. Anti-semitism (although I would say that criticizing a state actively engaged in ethnic cleansing is not anti-semitism, if so, well then Jewish people have bigger problems…), that's bad, Islamaphobia, well that's pretty much in vogue and has been for a while now. Lets not even go into the details of what constitutes what being Semitic is. We'll leave that to the non-book burning radical lefties….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    i understand well enough the points some posters are making. Posters compare their side with the allies in WW2 but they could easily compare themselves with their opposition too. Their are two sides ignoring the suffering of civilians in Gaza, Hamas and the Israeli Government. It is evil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,956 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Woah there horsey.

    The Japanese were a force to be reckoned with. The Americans were able to work out how many lives would be lost if they invaded mainland Japan. There is no comparison here - Hamas are beaten. How many IDF soldiers have they killed in the last 6 months??

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Two Israeli leaders have arrest warrants on them for War Crimes. There was one on a Hamas leader but he has since been killed.

    So, its clear the level of evil Israeli leaders are prepared to entertain.

    As for you blaming Hamas primarily, does that mean Israel have carte blanche to drop as much ordinance as they like on Gaza and kill many tens of thousands of civilians? That sounds very much like the ultimate in victim blaming to me, even though it makes you "sad".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,623 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Why does every response begin with "What about Israel?".

    Hamas leaders are to blame primarily, that doesn't mean anything about anything else, stop trying to conflate it.

    Do you accept that Hamas leaders are to blame primarily? That is where we need to start.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I believe we can all agree that it is incredibly tragic that Israel has been forced to resume large-scale airstrikes in Gaza. The Israelis have been left with no other option at this stage. With support from the USA, Israel has attempted to secure the return of the hostages through dialogue, with minimal success. The USA even took the unusual step of engaging directly with Hamas, a designated terrorist organization, but this also failed. The time for talking is over. It deeply saddens me that Israel has been driven to take this action, and my heart goes out to the innocent people in Gaza who will suffer — but this has gone on for too long. It’s time to bring those people home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,279 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I believe we can all agree that it is incredibly tragic that Israel has been forced to resume large-scale airstrikes in Gaza. The Israelis have been left with no other option at this stage.

    What utter shite.

    Israel's hand hasn't been forced in this. Netanyahu has chosen to resume the murder of innocents because he wants the slaughter to continue.

    Your deliberate misreading of this is thoroughly disgusting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,685 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    "Israel has been forced to resume large-scale airstrikes in Gaza. The Israelis have been left with no other option at this stage"

    In what alternate reality is this going on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,159 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I agree that Hamas are responsible for the atrocity on Oct 7th. I agree that Israel has the right to defend itself within the rules of law. And I have consistently stated both since the start of this conflict. My stance has not changed and will not change.

    Palestinian civilians are dying by the 10s of thousands - 1000 killed in the last two days. I blame Israel for that.

    Do you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,956 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The Gaza health ministry usually. Now hows about you answer some of our questions. Wouldn't that be novel?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,956 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    It's hard to witness such delusion or lack of analytical thought.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I don't agree - nothing has been "forced" on Israel. Netanyahu has chosen this course of action to save his political skin - at the expense of innocent civilians and the hostages.

    He's even reappointed Ben-Gvir to the cabinet - that was the deal. Politics. Nothing more.

    I look forward to the day Netanyahu and Gallant, possible others too, are sharing a cell with Duterte whilst awaiting the justice meted out by the ICC.

    Spare the faux sympathy for the Palestinians.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    So basically, Israel have agreed a ceasefire which guaranteed the release of their hostages based on certain conditions, that the other side (a jihadi terror group) also agreed to. The jihadi terror group stuck to their side by all accounts I see.

    Then Israel, after hearing that the US president put forward a plan to genocide Gaza of its people, tried to completely upend the agreement it signed (risking its own hostages), change the terms unilaterally, and blockaded food and aid to Gazan civilians to pressure these new terms. Now this hasn't worked out, they are left with no other choice than to blow up hundreds of women and kids. And all this makes sense to you??

    How does a jihadi gang of scumbags come out of this looking like the more honorable party.

    Israel are completely responsible for the brutal actions they take and any of the choices they have made in this war.

    I don't agree they have been forced into this in any measure. The should have stuck with the terms of the ceasefire they signed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The Health Ministry in Gaza operating under Hamas. The skepticism that once existed about the reliability of casualty figures and reports from that source — especially among those who view Hamas as a terrorist organization — appears to have faded. The Health Ministry in Gaza is now treated as a reliable, even authoritative, source of information about Gaza by many who support the Palestinian cause.

    The once clear distinction between supporting Palestine and supporting Hamas appears to be increasingly blurred as the conflict continues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,415 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    What do you think happens when you carpet bomb civilians?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,956 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,956 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    They have probably been underestimating the number to date.

    The Lancet…

    Counting the dead in Gaza: difficult but essential - The Lancet

    By June 19, 2024, 37 396 people had been killed in the Gaza Strip since the attack by Hamas and the Israeli invasion in October, 2023, according to the Gaza Health Ministry, as reported by the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.1 The Ministry's figures have been contested by the Israeli authorities, although they have been accepted as accurate by Israeli intelligence services,2 the UN, and WHO. These data are supported by independent analyses, comparing changes in the number of deaths of UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) staff with those reported by the Ministry,3 which found claims of data fabrication implausible.

    Gaza death toll 40% higher than official number, Lancet study finds | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian

    Research published in the Lancet medical journal estimates that the death toll in Gaza during the first nine months of the Israel-Hamas war was about 40% higher than numbers recorded by the Palestinian territory’s health ministry.

    Traumatic injury mortality in the Gaza Strip from Oct 7, 2023, to June 30, 2024: a capture–recapture analysis - The Lancet

    Although these numbers are understood to refer to deaths due to traumatic injury, others have speculated that the indirect effects of the military operations against Gaza could push all-cause excess mortality to 186 000.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The question didn’t really relate to what I posted. I made a comment about Hamas being the source of the figures and the fact that data provided by Hamas is now treated as reliable. It’s interesting to note that the poster doesn’t seem to disagree with what I said.

    I’m happy to answer his (@A Dub in Glasgo) question regarding carpet bombing. You don’t carpet bomb civilians; you carpet bomb an area, which inevitably results in death. As I’ve said many times, I’ll shed no tears over the death of a member of Hamas or any other terrorist organization. I’ll shed no tears over the death of anyone who supports them, directly or indirectly. My heart goes out to the innocent people in Gaza who will suffer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    So Hamas are solely to blame for the brutal acts of October 7th, and are also mostly to blame for every brutal and horrific act Israel has carried out on Palestinians civilians since?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    My heart goes out to the innocent people in Gaza who will suffer.

    ...how can you hold that view, whilst also saying Israel has no other choice but to bomb them to smithereens.

    It seems very evident to me your deep-seated hatred of those Israel calls its enemies trumps your basic humanity and morality toward your fellow man. Sad.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,956 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The numbers provided by the Health Ministry of Gaza have been shown to be accurate or underestimated so what are you actually giving out about? Would you prefer there was no Health Ministry? What has Hamas got to do with the accuracy around the numbers of dead? See the Lancet articles above.

    By the way, Carpet Bombing has been considered a war crime since 1977 (Article 51 of Geneva Conventions) but good to know you are fine with it as long as a Hamas terrorist might be killed too. Jesus Christ, why do I bother? What ratio is acceptable to you in terms of Civilian:Hamas during these carpet bombings? 900:1 ok? Will you advocate for carpet bombing to be unbanned now? Good to know you care.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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