Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

Doesn't make a difference, do you really think NATO countries would trigger article 5 against the US? And if they did, you would have to look at the structure of NATO to see who actually directs the troops and responses. The supreme allied commander is a US Army General, so he'd have to direct a NATO response against…… the US.

NATO is a paper agreement and the US's adherence to it under Trump would be close to nil. He already wanted to leave it in his last term.

A for the rest of the countries. They'd probably give some speeches and little else.

I think the emotional part was unnecessary

It would be a total crisis if it happened. Denmark could invoke article 5, but that’s not guarantee of other countries joining. It would probably go to diplomatic channels first.

EU states could emphasis the sovereignty of Denmark/Greenland and basically cut the US off through sanctions.

Either way, it’s u likely that Greenland will ever be under control of the states or Trump.

They'd make speeches and things, but they'd be idle militarily. Even if article 5 was invoked, that clause does not implore hard action. It calls upon countries to take measures they deem necessary, and that could be anything.

European leaders have admitted in the last month they'd be unable to support Ukraine militarily without US support. It doesn't really bode well for the idea that they could even put together a military taskforce which would be able to repel a serious US invasion.

The USA has the most powerful military in the world by far. No one is going to be challenging the USA if it takes Greenland, that you can be assured.

Same with Canada btw. Let's not be under any illusions here as to who rules the roost.

maybe NATO needs a restructure if its “leadership” has lost the plot.

Technically the US could take over Greenland and Canada and Mexico and Panama etc.

They Certainly have the hardware to do it. And the rest of the West is not going to go to war with the US over any of it.

European countries didn't go to war with Russia after their invasion of Ukraine so they are not going to start a war with the US.

But the power of the US doesn't just stem from it's military. The military is the big stick to back up its soft power. And any invasion or takeover of other countries will immediately destroy that soft power and have countries banding together to shift away from the US.

Luckily European leaders saw the necessity to group together, although not because they saw the US as a direct threat to the West, many years ago so we are now in a much stronger position to take on such a move.

Inevitably such a move by the US would mean countries looking away for US and towards China. So while Trump might see it as a success to gain unlimited access to Greenland, because they already have military access so security isn't the issue, he would be losing access to 450m EU citizens and all the business and money.

It's a bit like Putin and Ukraine. Will Putin eventually win that war? Possibly but the damage done to Russias long term future is incalculable.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's a good idea

Trump's approach to international relations isn't really one where soft power is the dominating approach. There was that case where Columbia, I think it is, who said they wouldn't take the deportees the US tried to ship down to them, and Trump threatened tariffs if they persisted, and they blinked. A preview of how Trump would handle international disagreements.

Trump's view is more feudal. The US is the lord of the manor and the other countries in its orbit are the serfs. They work to serve the US's interests and for this receive a certain amount of protection, but any attempt to rise against the US will be met with vigorous pushback.

Colombia asked to use their own plane as transport which was refused. trump then threatened tariffs and talked them down to using their own plane and the deportation went ahead...

Now, you have parroted this story along misinformation lines, who tricked you or mislead you? Or was it on purpose (knowing your posts, I don't believe it was on purpose, but I'd look at your sources more carefully in the future).

Maybe ‘no problem’ if confined to taking over Greenland only. BUT please consider the following two points :-

(1) having finished with Greenland , then who is next . There is NO GUARANTEE that it would end there

(2) the situation is bad enough currently re the fractious relationship between the traditional Allies. Say 3 out of 10. If the US ‘took over Greenland only- especially by ‘ strong arm’ methods I would revise down the above relationship to -5 (MINUS FIVE) out of 10. And where would that leave us all?

Joe Rogan is 100% Joe Rogan and anything or anyone that he can make bank on he'll play up to. If MAGA didn't exist, he'd be pumping something else. He wouldn't care if he's getting subs off of MAGA or Mickey Mouse.

Whatever about Canada and Greenland (he has not mentioned that he wants Mexico, funny that) the most obvious choice for 51st State is right here. Ireland. Why not? There are numerous reasons why it might be a good idea:

• Ireland has already been described as the 51st State (https://blog.mitchellscholars.org/2022/11/ireland-officially-declared-as-the-51st-us-state-policy-action-may-follow/) and no-one objected, so there is obviously interest in the idea. OK it was a Dublin taxi driver, but they generally have a finger on the pulse.
• Its the gateway to Europe, which would be great for America both economically and defence-wise. The US already has a foothold in Shannon.
• It already has a considerable amount of American companies, including most of the pharma, which would align with the idea of 'bringing companies home' to the US.
• America has over 30 million people of Irish descent, so really they are entitled to the homeland.
• Its not in NATO, which makes things easier.
• Trump has a golf course here.
• The UK would be glad to be rid of NI, and it would result in a united state of Ireland. Win - win.
• Trump could easily put a glass dome over the country - or bits of it - to keep out the rain, and turn it into a theme park. Most american visitors think that is what it is anyway.
• Ireland would have bigger and better Patty's day parades.

You've tried repeatedly to keep trotting out this nonsense.

Trump and the Republicans have been the ones who have been the ones actioning all these idiotic plans and behaving completely outlandishly; yet it's the Democrats "fault".

If I rob a shop tomorrow, it's not my fault, "the blame lies solely" with….??