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What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Note in Post #3372**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,393 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Some women out there treat abortion as a means of contraception,

    Clearly don't understand the first thing about pregnancy if you think terminations are contraception 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    nope.

    The woman would always maintain the right to bodily independence, if she wants to leave, get it done somewhere else thats her business.

    The people/state would also have their rights maintained, asking why this is a recurrent issue, and if not receiving a sufficient answer maintaining our right to independence by saying no, no more. We wont do this. Pay for this, be associated with this.

    The to-be-aborted also for once is considered, extended a semblance of rights, something you tossed aside as meaningless with you limitless winner takes all, no grey area, total domination win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,393 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    No idea what your talking about there in your last sentence, but it doesn't matter, you're entitled to your hypocritical opinions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    It's frankly none of your business and forcing them to go to term with the pregnancy if they don't have the means to go abroad isn't exactly beneficial to any party. Treating a pregnancy as a punishment is pretty unethical tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    well the law is the law, but i can still say not in my name.

    Thats my controversial opinion, and its based on facts. Rather than certain others, zealots above who have decided that all things lefty, all things feminist must be by definition always and only good.

    You give zero sympathy towards the human in the womb. Only a totalitarian state of affairs may exist. Unlimited, unquestioned abortion, on demand. Complete winner and complete loser. No grey area. Thats fanaticism. And thats why you cant see any other perspective. And thats why its a waste of time talking with you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    It’s not a human, it’s an embryo.

    Can you post the links that women in Ireland and having 5/6 abortions please?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    These are the very women we should be encouraging to have abortions.

    The state (you and me) will end up paying for these births for 75 years otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,875 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    The wan that spat on the Israeli tourist should be deported back to Lebanon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Firstly, No one should be encouraged to have an abortion, it's a personal choice.

    Secondly, it's not happening in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    Encouragement is by the state paying for it.

    Of course it’s happening here. Why wouldn’t it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    at a certain point sentience occurs in the womb.

    No i cannot post stories of women in ireland. I never said in ireland in reference to stories of sixth abortions. And i must say this whole 'ahh but thats not in ireland' little thing youre doing for both stats and newspaper stories is among the weakest and most insincere tactics ive seen.

    https://news.sky.com/story/amp/abortions-five-teenagers-among-women-who-had-at-least-their-6th-termination-in-uk-last-year-11863920

    heres a link to such events in the uk. At this point the principal of what im discussing is evident and i wont be proving myself any more. I wont be playing any obnoxious little pedantry games. The burden to disprove is now on you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 163 ✭✭New Scottman


    i voted YES but I think the only acceptable reasons for abortion are rape & fatal fetal abnormality. Anyone else who gets one is fair game for criticism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭fortwilliam


    Ah here, this is way oversimplified. AI is handy, sure, but it's nowhere near replacing IT pros, programmers, or artists properly.

    1. IT pros & AI – Yeah, some devs use AI to spit out bits of code, but that doesn’t mean the job is just copy-paste. Writing code is only part of it—there’s debugging, optimization, and making sure it actually works properly in a bigger system. AI-generated code still needs a human to check it because, let’s be honest, it makes mistakes all the time.
    2. Artists being replaced? – Not really. AI can churn out images, but it’s not creating anything original. A lot of AI "art" is just remixing existing work, and artists still have the edge when it comes to creativity, style, and actually understanding what they’re making. It’s more of a tool than a replacement.
    3. IT Support is just looking up answers? – That’s a massive oversimplification. Yeah, there are guides for common problems, but loads of issues need actual problem-solving. Half the job is figuring out what actually went wrong when someone just says, "My computer is broken." AI can’t deal with context like a human can.
    4. AI getting better every year – True, but it’s still full of nonsense half the time. It confidently spits out wrong answers, it doesn’t understand nuance, and you still need people who actually know what they’re doing to catch mistakes.
    5. Backdoors & encryption – That’s a separate issue entirely and has nothing to do with AI taking jobs. Governments and tech companies are always playing cat and mouse with privacy laws. AI isn’t the reason Apple changed backup encryption in the UK; that’s just companies complying with different regulations.

    Bottom line: AI is a great tool, but it's not magic. It helps people work faster, but it’s nowhere near replacing actual professionals who know what they’re doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,855 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Fook sake could you move on from the abortion topic, its become the abortion thread.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭thereiver


    Most people who commit violent crime or robbery or sell drugs are male so most prisoners are male .china is a communist country most us dramas or comedys are only avaidable in China thru illegal means pirate DVDs or online streams .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭thereiver


    Theres a strike on right now by actors who appear in videogames they are asking for a contract. that says they must get paid if their voice is used by Ai to provide voices for videogame characters .ai right now can make very realistic human voices that sound real given a script ,it sounds human . .I'm not saying all programmers or artists will be replaced overnight it ,ll be a gradual process.But its something to be wary of . Ai could replace some work done by animators or maybe make demo reels to show off a new character in 3d .

    If you look at the UK snoopers charter they want to there to be backdoors in all communication apps that can be used by the UK police or intelligence services Of course back doors will be used by hackers to get your private data or bank account info.

    I



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,219 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I am content to take the standard of proof in civil court as sufficient.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,219 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Sentience occurs very late in pregnancy, at or beyond the point where in almost all countries it's illegal except for urgent medical reasons to save the woman's life.

    In Ireland, unless there are serious health issues for the woman, abortion is illegal after 12 weeks (which is really only ~10 weeks after conception) which is extremely conservative and restrictive, then there's the 3 day wait which can push women over the line. Women who have irregular or no periods aren't going to know straight away they're pregnant.

    We went through all this in great detail in 2018 and the people decided. Basically what you want is slut-shaming women whose private life you don't approve of. You know nothing of their circumstances but want to judge and restrict them.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,033 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Civil court as opposed to criminal? So does that mean you think OJ was guilty? Jokes. Yeah that's fair enough.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 foolhardy


    But when you voted YES you opened it up to all women who want one not just those examples that you give.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,219 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    What turned it into a binary choice was the braindead 1983 absolutist amendment. Not even minimal change was possible with that amendment in place.

    Once it went, we had a consensus from the Citizens' Assembly and the Dail as to what the legislation would be. I think it's much too conservative, but it's a law like any other and it can be changed if enough political support can be generated for change. It's a great relief that we will never have to have a referendum on abortion again. Nobody will ever again have to explain to their young kids why there are posters on lampposts talking about "killing babies" 🙄

    Don't forget that the usual suspects vehemently opposed the 2013 Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act, the sole aim of which was to prevent women dying. Six FG TDs barbecued their careers pointlessly over that. For 35 years the usual suspects vehemently opposed any possible change to the 8th Amendment. They maintaned their absolutist position even if it caused women to become seriously ill or die - and it did.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    why would i want to shame sluts? i love sluts. and i dont interfere in peoples private lives.

    but if youre dealing with an issue involving another human life, and you're coming to the public funded state, then youve stepped outside of your private life.

    abortion should be a serious business, if youre going for your 4th/5th/6th time then yes i do think questions need to be asked. for both the sake of someone who may be a victim of some sort, and also for the feckless who are diminishing the value of human life. i dont see why i and my taxes should be involved with such irresponsibility where it exists. female a**holes also do exist too you know, there are bad women out there, they're not ALL sacred and innocent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    so what, what has that got to do with me?

    anyway. if you want to debate this further maybe you might like to open a new thread, as it seems this topic is taking up too much space and people are objecting. (not an instruction, not backseat modding, just a suggestion)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 foolhardy


    As a woman I don't want trans women using female public bathrooms. I also don't want to have their agenda shoved in my face constantly through the media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭eggy81


    I don’t think the tax angle is a legitimate point to support women not being allowed abortion after one or two regardless of their personal situation because the likelihood is that any children born to women ending up in that situation will be neglected and end up costing the taxpayer multiples of the cost of abortion through crime, addiction and all the other public costs involved in helping or dealing with people who have been neglected in childhood. Can kind of see a moral angle but what’s the alternative ?.

    The problems that lead people to needing multiple abortions are most likely deep rooted self esteem and psychological based and would need a comprehensive from the ground up complete rebuild and upgrading of available services and a buy in from the people they require them. A pipe dream really in the current world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,219 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Oh it's not trans people pushing the agenda constantly 🙄

    This bullshit is way overdone. Lock the jacks door ffs

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,219 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Denying abortions because certain women don't conform to your "moral" standards is absolutely interfering in their private lives.

    What makes it even more ridiculous is that you don't have an objection to a "certain" number of abortions. It's either right or wrong.

    And your misogynistic comments are both disgusting and unsurprising.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    yeah i figured the misogyny card might come out. nonsense from you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 163 ✭✭New Scottman




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