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What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Note in Post #3372**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    Israel = the Jewish homeland. If you are against Israel you are effectively against Israelis/jews.

    If someone is against Palestine then they aren’t necessarily against Muslims or Arabs. Palestinians only make up a tiny fraction of the vast Muslim/Arab world.

    In my opinion Palestinians represent the worst of radical Islam. Together with Iran, Hezbollah, ISIS etc they are not something that would get my support.

    If that makes me Islamophobic or anti-Arab then so be it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    I think you need to read up on the history of how Israel came into existence, it seems you're very ill informed on the subject.

    Majority of people aren't against jews, they're against the mass slaughter of the Palestinian people, again there is a very distinct difference.

    Just because it's your opinion doesn't make it a fact. You can't tar all people with the same brush. There are good and bad on both sides but just as Israel does not equal all jews, Hamas does not equal all Palestinians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    Thank you for your opinion on my knowledge of Israeli history. I’ll file that in the appropriate 🗑️

    It is my opinion that most Palestinians would have been supportive of the October 7 terrorism. I don’t see much difference between Palestinians and Hamas. You can file that where you like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,106 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Do you understand the difference between a member of Hamas and a 2 year old Palestinian girl who just needs food or medical care?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    I don’t see it as Israel’s responsibility to provide food, medical care or electricity to Gaza.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    This Isnt true at all. Ridiculously simple way to look at things. It's not a football match



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    That only a certain number of abortions should be facilitated by the state.

    I believe that sentience occurs at a stage in the womb, and that the fetus can suffer. But also believe that women have rights to access abortion.

    But in the case of repeat abortions I cant tolerate/support that.

    Repeat abortions could indicate a disregard for suffering caused to fetuses. Both the woman and the fetus have rights. Lets not forget either.

    If theres an abortion it should be a one off, ok it was a necessity, twice a possibility. Three cant be right, it suggests a calous disregard. Makes any possible suffering by the fetus a triviality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,966 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …what do you call a country that intentionally pumps water out of a territory, just so its habitats cant drink it?

    ….just one of the activities isreal does to Palestinians!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    So, nothing to do with the rights of 'the fetus' and everything to do with just judging women. Gotya 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭thereiver


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    Id call it a very reasoned compromise that takes both parties into account. Given the dilemma.

    Whereas yours is absolutist, only 1 side matters. Complete disregard for the affected child/fetus.

    A response which ive come to expect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,966 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …many who avail of abortion would have long term complex psychological problems, of which have not received appropriate health care support for such, what do you propose to effectively deal with this issue?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    I would go with advice and denial.

    Go get help, we're not going to be party to you making flippant use of a very serious service. Youve done this a few times, we've facilitated you, but no more. You can go abroad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    Palestinians had plenty of food, water and electricity before they attacked Israel on October 7, and then celebrated the slaughter of Israelis on the streets of Gaza like it was Italia 90.
    Young Emily Hand, an Irish citizen, was taken as a hostage by these upstanding citizens.
    If you saw the handover of the dead child hostages recently and still support Palestine, then you are dead to me.

    They would put every single Jew in Israel in a box if they got the chance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    There is no compromise on your part, there is no compassion for the fetus.

    You believe that a fetus can be aborted, if the mother has only been pregnant once. You believe any more then 2 terminations means a callous disregard in the mind of the mother towards her pregnancy. And those are the pregnancies you would force to go to full term?

    Not the fetuses that might have a mother that was caught out, or made a mistake etc, but the fetuses with, in your words, a mother who has callous disregard for them, they are the ones you would allow to be born?

    Nothing whatsoever to do with a fetus, or compassion for a fetus. And everything to do with judging a woman. You made it clear in black and white.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    'You can go abroad '

    You didn't actually need to prove any further that you don't care about fetuses, but you did anyway!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,966 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ….public access to effective health care for complex psychological issues and disorders is effectively none existent, this is extremely well documented now!

    …private access to such is extremely expensive, with regular therapy sessions costing in excess of 100 euro a visit!

    …most simply cannot afford such care, especially those lower on the socioeconomic scale, of which most such cases exist, i.e. the care required simply doesnt exist for such cases!

    …most cases require long term, life long effective supports, as many such cases have extremely complex issues and needs, i.e. life long, complex psychological conditions and disorders, such as asd, bipolar, personality disorders, adhd, extremely serious conditions such as ptsd, and cptsd etc etc etc….

    …most such conditions and disorders experience impulsive behavioral issues, including promiscuity, of which is a 'maladaptive' copying strategy, for the long term stresses induced from the lack of appropriate care! basically, it cases people to behave in dangerous ways that can causes great harm to the individual and others!

    …removing such care, does not resolve these issues, but generally causes them to accelerate, which can also cause other maladaptive behaviors including addiction and crime etc etc!

    …oh and of course, you the taxpayer pays for the lot, including health care, welfare, legal costs, the works, for these individuals, which is generally for life, long term unemployment is generally also the outcome, and again, you pay for all of that!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    I cant facilitate someone acting fecklessly with human life like that.

    This is the only grey area i can imagine in an otherwise very 2 sided issue.

    Its a dilemma of the womans rights AND the infants rights

    This dilemma happens in life, tragically, and it should be treated seriously. I can side with the womans rights up to a point. Its regrettable but it happened, we must help out. Once.

    Twice because life is unusual.

    But how many more times. Is she going around just causing repeat suffering, with no regard? And im to give her the means?

    I dont believe in stopping her doing it elsewhere, i cant sterilize her, much as id advise her to. But i shouldnt be forced to aid her wrecklessness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,966 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    you re trying to use logic towards highly complex, illogical human behavior, of which is largely trauma based, such individuals simply cannot all of a sudden begin to behave in a more appropriate way, simply cannot start behaving more logically, due to the long term traumas they have experienced, they require significant, long term, and in many cases, life long appropriate care, of which simply doesnt exist, particularly in the public domain, i.e. public health care.

    by not providing such care, the individuals simply never truly recover, and in many cases, deteriorate further over time, leading to even more complex and dysfunctional outcomes, again including, severe addiction, crime etc etc

    …and again, you pay for all of that….

    …oh and many of such disorders and behaviors are genetic in nature, and/or transferred to off spring, again, due to the traumas involved, so, on and on it goes…..

    …the individuals themselves would in fact experience serious shame and guilt, due to their behaviors, but are unable to resolve their behaviors themselves, hence needing external, long term professional guidance to do so, i.e. they cant stop themselves, similar behavior to addicts, of which many would be…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,025 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    If you're only capable of basic, binary thinking, then it would make sense. Imagine if you weren't able to handle ambivalence or nuance. I think it explains a lot of the attitudes you see on the topic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    and a lot of the time that may not be the case.

    You seem sympathetic, so which is the path to take to the lowest net suffering. For once taking into account the losing side.

    The abortion debate became very passionate, and in the fervour an attitude of winner takes all emerged.

    'As many abortions as i want when i want with fck all thought for the suffering caused to the aborted' is not something i can support.

    'Ive come to a difficult point in my life for complex reasons and now must make a difficult decision' however IS something I can grudgingly accept.

    As is 'my god its happened again'.

    Extenuating circumstances, the unpredictability of life, maaaybe a 3rd time.

    After that Id have to turn my back. Heres some help lines. Get a plane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,025 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Do we have stats on how many people have 3 or more abortions?

    I think the rights of the wonan outweigh the rights of the foetus. But I don't think that means the foetus should be discounted completely. I think an abortion is a sad occasion but ultimately it's the woman's decision to make.

    I would think anyone using abortion as a preferred method of contraception is a gobshyte and I really doubt we'd be mates.

    But I'd doubt there are many, if any who are clocking up multiple abortions without medical reasons.

    So, what are the stats?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,387 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Anyone who believes that we should force women to go overseas for terminations if they have had 2 already, has absolutely no regard for the fetus, as they claim. And only wants to punish women they are judging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    Ive held this opinion since the referendum. I do remember checking the stats, but cant remember them today. My conclusion at the time was 'far too many'.

    I dont see any better way for the minimizing of suffering. Or any other way that accounts for the rights of both woman and infant. Its a fair compromise between extremes.

    Extremists naturally hate it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,025 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Can you remember where you saw they stats? Like the CSO or HSE or a Gript news article?

    You must appreciate you're giving nothing to go on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    v long time ago. I only recall looking at uk stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,025 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    OK. This is an opinion on thread so fair enough. An opinion without evidence is nothing more than an interesting idea which carries absolutely no weight.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    Thats what the thread is for.

    My conscience is clean. So im alright.



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