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Fencing costs

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭Tileman


    I think in the thread above the tams rate is €6.50 a meter for sheep wire and barb wire on top. That would be using tams approved materials. His labour would be on top of that.

    Maybe offer him a €5m for the stretch he is doing on your bank if it is benefiting you both.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,523 ✭✭✭Sami23


    Are Creosote posts from the North or Clipex posts the best option for stakes these days ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,181 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The 6.75/M is Inc labour and other fencing costs, it is a fairly generous rate. I am doing electric fencing and materials are about 50% of the TAMS rate I think. TAM is 4' sheepwire as well. The TAM figures are ex vat as farmers can claim vat back.

    I think good quality sheep wire is around 1.75/ meter+vat. 25c/ meter barb wire. Posts would depend on whether 3" or 4" but about 5-6 euro for 3" treated ones or about 1.25/ meter, states etc another 10c/m. .Say 3.35/m for materials. For a small.job like that labour would be 2-2.5/m. So what ever the length give him half of it or 2.75- 3 euro/M.

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,847 ✭✭✭White Clover


    Good quality Tornado 32 inch high galvanised high tensile sheep wire is about 175 Inc vat/100m. Good quality 6 foot x 4 inch imported treated pine posts are about 12.50 each Inc vat. Priced this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,181 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    OP said neighbour was using 5' posts I be guessing 3 priced 3", I have to reduce down my sheep wire as I was pricing it at 1.75 ex vat per meter. At your price it was 1.3/ meter plus vat

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭Tileman


    Tinselly high tensile sheep wire 100m was 220 including vat .so about 178€ ex vat.

    Octo 4-5 inch post were &12 each. Rip of barb wire was €72 for 200m.

    Strainers &30 each


    prices this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,523 ✭✭✭Sami23




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭paddysdream


    For a small job no way would anyone at it for a living be doing it for 2 or 2.50 euro a meter.Charging 80 an hour here for tractor, two men and a postdriver. Erect only on a per m basis is anything from 3.50 to 5.50 a meter depending on the job.Thats 32 inch ht sheepwire with strand of barbed over and ht plain under. Gates are extra.

    Gone away totally from supply and erect due to carrying the credit cost, a bad pay or slow pay will take the gloss off a job plus the complaints when a stake rots after a few years despite being told "arra shur get the cheapest stakes to keep down the cost"

    Have a waiting list which is about 6 months at this stage (stopped for a few weeks for lambing) so a fair few farmers spending on fencing at the minute.Not many TAMS jobs but the ones going for it are usually doing single strand electric.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,181 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The Orginal poster said 5' treated post. I am buying TAMS approved 6'X4" stakes for 7 euro each, TAMS approved strainers 7-8X7' for 24 euro each. Both those prices Inc vat

    I doubt the neighbour is using materials to that standard. I say if he us using strainers they are 6'X5-6" posts He also said he was fencing a ditch between the two of them as in a bank or an actual ditch as we say in Kerry

    The bad new is Paddy I would not be hiring you to do the job. I expect that neither would OP neighbour. Saw this price from 2020 doub if labour has gone up that much.

    https://www.forum4farming.com/forum/index.php?threads/cost-of-sheep-fencing.19204/

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭paddysdream


    Well you wont do much of a sheep wire fence using 6ft or 7ft strainers.Any sheepwire fence esp. one with a strand of barbed over requires 8ft strainers.

    The difference is that i have to stand over the quality of my work.At it a long time now and no poin̈t in working for nothing.

    Any lad is worth 150 a day.Add in tractor and postdriver and a few bob for me plus consumables all adds up.

    The tractor ,chainsaw etc doesnt run on fresh air plus tools are not cheap.The order book tells me i aint over pricing.Every contractor around here are in or around the same rate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭Tileman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,847 ✭✭✭White Clover


    Bass, some of the TAMS approved posts are only fair. There's another level of quality above them that will work out cheaper/year in the long run. As like everything in life, you generally get what you pay for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭DBK1


    I can buy Tams approved stakes at them prices and even a bit less too but I know I’d be replacing them in 5 years time. How do I know that? Because at the moment I’m replacing the exact same ones, from the same supplier, that I put in 5 years ago.

    A 6’ x 5-6” post is scarcely good enough to be used as a turn post for a slight bend on a single or double strand electric fence. They’re not strainers and anyone using them as such will never have a tight fence. Anything less than 8” diameter isn’t a strainer.

    A local man here rang me yesterday to know would I do a bit for him. He was priced at €6.60/metre labour only for a 250 metre straight run fence with 3 strands of barb wire. I told him I haven’t time to do my own never mind his.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭paddysdream


    Wee bit saucy for 3 strands of barbed but is it a " i need it done yesterday " job? Those command a premium!!!

    That or he doesnt want to do it.Probably 3 inc vat although you wouldnt get rich at that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭DBK1


    I didn’t even ask him who gave him that price but it certainly does seem like a F**k off price.

    Yea I’d have thought around half that should be the price for that job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,181 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The ones I am buying have a 15 year warranty. I have only bought a dozen of the 6'X3" posts I wanted them for tie off points at gates etc where there is only 1-2 spans to a corner. Nothing wrong with the strainers AFAICS. They are good for 30 years IMO for electric fencing they can be driven another 10-15" in 20 years time ( it will not be my problem) as God willing I will be over 80 then. I was not too worried about the dozen wooden ties off I just bought them where I bought the strainers.

    I never get this just because it cheaper than I buy it must be sh!te. Recently in the vets and a farmer was buying Ivomec Super 2X500mls for over 400 euro. Sitting on the shelf behind the counter was a multi pack of Bimectin plus 1.25L for 175 euro.

    I have nearly 5.5Km of fencing put up in the last 8 months. To an extent needs must. I have used clipex with a 30 year warranty I think. Half the strainers I used were clipex the other half were timber strainers. The clipex were 33+vat the timber were 24 Inc vat, I have used about 130 strainers

    If I was fencing the ditch I be using the clipex sheepwire fence posts and there strainers if it was a small run

    But that is NOT what OPs neighbour is doing he is using 5'treated posts. My posts earlier were in relation to what was fair compensation if OP paid half the cost. I am not saying what should have gone into fencing it I am pricing what I suspect went into it knowing the intermediate posts were 5' treated and probably bought out of the local co-op.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭DBK1


    I’ve probably a similar amount of fencing to you done, and done myself and to grant spec. And like you needs must, so I bought the cheapest tams approved posts and they have the 15 year warranty. The only difference to you is I done it 5-7 years ago and now I’m replacing about 20% of them already because they’re rotten.

    Thankfully I put in proper PDM strainers at the time and they’re still as good as the day they went in so it’s only the intermediate posts that have to be replaced.

    So my post wasn’t about you buying worse because they are cheaper than mine, it was about me buying the same cheap ones as you and figuring out the hard way that it’s only a fools game.

    For what it’s worth I also use Bimectin for cattle, but that doesn’t stop the posts from rotting!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 969 ✭✭✭RobinBanks


    Thanks for all the replies on costs. I measured the length of fence between myself and neighbor. It is 120m. If i gave him €400 i would say he is well covered, mainly split steaks he used with a few heavier rounds on bends. The fella he got to do it done a mighty job on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,181 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    from the sound of it the materials did not cost that

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 969 ✭✭✭RobinBanks


    I was thinking maybe around 300 on materials and labour but didnt want to go in to low incase i was way out with the price. Sure he might throw a fifty back to me for a pint! Either way, i am delighted to see it fenced and i wasnt going to get to it any time soon.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,181 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Split posts are 2.5+vat or even less. If he bought them he paid no more than 4-5+ vat for the rounds he used. Allow for forty posts 10 rounds and 30 splits and ten splits for struts posts xost about 140+ vat, I would doubt if he bought Tornado sheep wire if he bought split posts. 2 and haf rolls at 40+vat/ roll. 25 euro for barb wire and a tenner for staples and a few nails.

    About 300+ vat for materials and 2-300 for the lads that put it up.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,863 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    I can't seem to see anywhere with the sheep wire clipex? I have two acres with about half it to fence

    😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    Clipex will deliver



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,523 ✭✭✭Sami23




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    Yes there is a delivery charge.e60 wouldnt be too bad if you cant get it anywhere else



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭StoutPost


    I could be hooked up to a tractor battery and I wouldn't give 12.50 for timber posts ! Plastic, metal, or concrete for that money IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    II believe that these are Latvian posts.It takes timber twice as long to grow in cold climates.They are a seriously hard stake. Only time will tell how long they will last.



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