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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Fastpud


    Really curious about Kursk and the timing of the current events. They seemed able to hold on then suddenly they are going backward fast.

    Did Ukraine withdraw as part of a secret agreement to get US weapons or were they told that that holding Kursk wasn’t going to give them leverage so decided that troops would be better used in Donbas where they are making some gains. After everything we heard about the importance of Kursk over the past 7 months, very strange it collapsed in a few days with little advanced warning



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    a russian blew up a boat transporting American jet fuel and he did nothing…..he will do nothing in response to russian aggression



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,377 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    No matter what Putin turns down Trump will find something to throw back against Ukraine , no chance he goes all out against Putin .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭yagan


    The two main reasons for taking Kursk was it would draw Russian forces away from Ukraine and that it could later be a bargaining chip.

    There was point in holding it for bargaining anymore as Trump is compromised, but it serve in drawing Russian forces from elsewhere.

    It will remain an active front but if starlink was vital in taking Kursk Musk could have compromised it months ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Funny how the same argument towards the Russians isn’t being made that they can regroup and re arm.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    can’t make this up

    Asked in Shannon airport what US is doing about Russia

    “We not giving them arms…”

    IMG_5735.jpeg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 870 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    well…jeez…that seems to be the only things they arent giving russia!!


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    "You are him…the one they call the "Baba Yaga"…

    yo! donnie vonshitzinpants,vlad putin,benji netanyahu..you sirs are the skidmarks on the jocks of humanity!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,060 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Has anyone asked about intelligence or ammunition?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    The very fact that he has to deny that tells its own story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Different slant from the beeb here:

    Russian President Vladimir Putin agrees fighting in Ukraine must end but says plan has to "lead to long-term peace" and "remove root causes of crisis"

    So - next thing is to decipher this statement into donaldese .. as in what is putin, behind this statement, manipulating trump with. He has said it this way for a reason. To "help" channel trumps next move



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,040 ✭✭✭Polar101


    There will be a slight pause while the material is being rewritten, but they'll be back praising him for wanting peace while everyone else is hostile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    This piece at the beeb says what i said above but better :D

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cgj5w6veqw6t?at_ptr_name=twitter&at_format=link&at_medium=social&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_campaign_type=owned&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_link_id=8E1014F8-0026-11F0-994D-EC03BF948085&at_link_type=web_link&at_link_origin=BBCBreaking&post=asset%3A85fcdd84-11ab-4497-a30e-75e3b363da5f#post

    "Big question is how White House will interpret Putin's statement"

    Putin’s stance on a ceasefire in Ukraine shows that, after three years of war, the Kremlin is more than capable of practicing clever diplomacy.

    On the one hand, he appeared to respond positively to the US proposal for an immediate halt to hostilities.

    A direct “no” would have strained relations between the Kremlin and the White House - ties that have only recently begun to improve and, in recent weeks, have largely worked in Moscow’s favour.

    On the other hand, agreeing to an unconditional ceasefire, from the Kremlin’s perspective, could weaken Russia’s position on the battlefield.

    Putin’s words, along with his unannounced visit yesterday to the Kursk region - where he made a rare appearance in military uniform - reinforced that battlefield success remains a priority for Moscow.

    The big question now is how the White House will interpret Putin’s statement: as an invitation to negotiate, or an attempt to derail Trump’s peace efforts.

    It also remains unclear how far the White House is willing to go to persuade Ukraine to accept Russia’s demands.

    Trump has warned that rejecting a ceasefire would bring “devastating consequences” for Russia.

    What exactly that means - and what leverage the U.S. is prepared to use in its dealings with Moscow - remains a mystery.

    More to the point - how would putin like trump to interpret this to putins advantage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,555 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Odd phrasing as the only factually correct interpretation of how one could "remove the underlying causes of this crisis" involves Putin being handed over the Hague or shuffling off the mortal coil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,733 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    The 'legitimate' fear many have is that Putin and Trump have already worked out a deal over Ukraine and this is staging to fool Ukraine and the West that they are in conflict. Anyway any deal with Putin would be a Russian one and torn up whenever it suits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Here are some of the Russia requirements via REUTERS from extensive list:

    Reuters reports that Russia has presented the United States with its list of demands for a deal to end the war in Ukraine and restore diplomatic relations with Washington.

    The conditions reportedly include:

    • Ukraine’s non-membership in NATO,
    • an agreement not to deploy foreign troops in Ukraine after the war,
    • and international recognition of Russia’s claims to Crimea, as well as the Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhia regions in southeastern Ukraine.

    Officials said the list was “extensive” and similar to previous demands made to Ukraine, the United States and NATO.

    So the donalds next move will be to make sure his masters bidding is done. Zelenskyy is invited back to the white house. Perhaps round 2 of the ambush we saw in recent weeks?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,799 ✭✭✭threeball


    Tanks look like old hat at this stage. The one item I would not like to be tasked with in a war. One lad in a bush with a Javelin or a drone and you're in serious bother and thats against an army that wasn't fully resourced or have air power. If you add in being cannon fodder for a fighter jet or attack helicopter or good old land mine and its a near suicide mission.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 870 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    i must be missing something or im just wild thick…russia,the aggressor here,invaded Ukraine…why does russia not seemingly have to concede anything?what am i missing..? apart from donnie and putin being wrap-around buddies…


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    "You are him…the one they call the "Baba Yaga"…

    yo! donnie vonshitzinpants,vlad putin,benji netanyahu..you sirs are the skidmarks on the jocks of humanity!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,733 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Tanks are too big, too slow and vunerable to high tech weapons of an organised army nowadays. There is still a place but lighter more nimble fast firing, armour look to be where it is going. Perhaps automated too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭yagan


    No concessions from Russia means no deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,046 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If I'm reading this correctly, Ukraine gets absolutely no security guarantee further than what it can muster for itself during the armistice, however long that lasts.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭yagan


    Well NATO is irrelevant now thanks to Trump but no mention of a new European defence pact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,810 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    So basically Russia doesn’t need to concede anything, they get to hold onto the land they’ve seized, Ukraine can’t join NATO and can’t have any protection from Russias next attack, as they inevitably will.

    Meanwhile Trump will expect Ukraine to hand over billions of rare minerals. Sounds a great deal, how can Ukraine refuse?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,046 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Trump has no interest in protecting the liberal democracies of Europe for the sake of keeping that as the dominant ideology of the West. He's an authoritarian. It's the reason he's attempting to rule the country from the Resolute Desk via executive order.

    He may offer a limited amount of protection to European countries if they are sufficiently supplicant in the ways he demands, but this amounts to just vassalage. As far as Trump is concerned, Europe is a zone to be controlled by the US and Russia and not a region that should be a world power in its own right.

    And European leaders are going to make this pretty easy to do because there is a massive aversion to defence spending. There is also such a huge amount of bureaucracy in the EU that it makes reconfiguring itself quickly to world events pretty much impossible.

    Over Trump's term, he and his team will seek to undermine European stability and unity. They will likely continue to funnel money toward hard right political groups in France, Germany and the UK and spread disinformation to polarise societies there. If they can knock these three countries out, the rest of Europe hasn't really got a leg to stand on as they hold what remains of the nuclear umbrella.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,865 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭zv2


    The solution is to hit Russia hard while they are at their weakest. It is not too late…

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    russia will reframe 'surrender' a million times until they get what they want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,144 ✭✭✭wassie


    Russian President Vladimir Putin agrees fighting in Ukraine must end but says plan has to "lead to long-term peace" and "remove root causes of crisis"

    Plan to take out Putin - root cause sorted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,060 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Supposedly Biden spoiled a Ukrainian op that was going to attempt just that.

    The US cant get enough of betraying Ukraine. Voted no.1 sport in Washington.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,060 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Looks like we might have a fit for those assessments that the Orcs are gearing up to test article 5.

    Returning to the situation in the Baltic states, the Polish press reports significant Russian troop movements that could pose a threat to Poland's borders.

    According to PolskieRadio, satellite data shows that Russian troops, planes and naval units are stationed near the border of the Baltic states and Finland, about 250 km east of Finland's capital, Helsinki.

    Tens of thousands of soldiers, pilots and sailors are stationed at the gates of the Finnish capital, writes TVP, which notes that these forces belong to the Leningrad Military District, a structure that was reactivated in 2024, immediately after Finland joined NATO.

    In addition, Russia would also have at its disposal the forces located in the Kaliningrad region to carry out military actions targeting the Suwalki Corridor.

    "Russia still wants to maintain control over the Suwałki gap, which means an attack on NATO territories," Viljar Veebel, who has been researching Baltic defense at the OECD and Estonia's National Defense College for years, told German website The Pioneer.

    The Suwalki corridor, which is only 65 kilometers wide, is the only land border between Poland and Lithuania.

    If Russia were to take control, it could isolate Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, making logistical support more difficult and exposing supply lines to attack. NATO could only supply the Baltic states through the Baltic Sea, a logistical nightmare for the Alliance.



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