Is Elon Musk hurting Tesla? (Mod Note Post #1)

i also admire the work that has occurred at tesla, theyve clearly employed some incredible folks, have radically changed the global car industry, and largely for the better, but musk is now an existential threat to the company, and could lead to its demise, and this could occur very quickly

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the whole issue is that he’s not “just the CEO”

his wealth is what generates the power he has - and his wealth is directly linked to Tesla’s success - therefore your Tesla purchase is contributing directly to the shareholder value and to his ability to use that wealth to generate influence and power, into the defacto unelected vice president of the most powerful office on the planet. He borrows against Tesla shares for a lot of things, Twitter etc, so a squeeze on the SP is why he had Trump be his sales guy. that wouldn’t have happened if musk wasn’t feeling some pressure.

We can go further into why Musk has this well known view that pure democracy doesn’t actually work, and countries would be better served being run like a tech company, somewhere between a democracy and autocracy.

The biggest issue I take with this appalling violent behaviour of the mob is that where were they for the last decades when the Big Oil (and OPEC) caused death, oil spills, wars, human suffering, pollution, climate change, and other disruption? Why didn't they set the Exxon "gas station" on fire?

Tesla cars, and the wider TSLA share price, are two separate things.

The cars are great, but the value of musks wealth is in his TSLA shares, which is valued as a combination of selling 2 cars, plus the potential future value of many many other current/future projects.

They need the car sales revenue to do the other stuff - that’s the connection between them.

There's no tariffs on EU made teslas.

Tesla owner since 2020. Car is grand -- some shoddy build quality, but tech, design and performance are great. Rest of the industry are slowly catching up.

I'm not a badge snob and didn't buy it to impress the neighbours. However I don't want to be associated with the twat or put money in his pocket, so I debadged the car with some dental floss, cancelled my premium subscription and will tether via my mobile for connectivity.

he’s far more than the CEO, he is the largest shareholder holder.

I'd say that's yet to be seen... I'd imagine we could very much see drops as the year progresses. Heavy tariffs which target major Irish industries such as alcohol and pharmaceuticals aren't going to go down well with consumers. At the moment, Musk is about to be one of the causative factors for a recession and that association won't be lost on people.

Same here. I bought one before the twitter takeover. Its very good other than wipers, noise, driver alert system that I can't turn off and something i should have bothered changing ages ago, the drivers floor mat. No deal breaker other than the owner.

I won't be buying a new one again. I would consider second hand though.

So you're gone from saying Irish people aren't bothered to a bit of whataboutery, that's convenient for you.

BTW, it's really simple to avoid anything in his domain without even having to think about it.

I dunno. Maybe we're just a bit slow at catching on here. I think Tesla sales are probably going to down here, probably starting late this year or next.

I've had two people at work talk about upgrading to an EV car. Both have said they'd like to buy a Tesla because they're such nice looking cars, and are generally reliable. But over the past three months they've decided against it. Crucially - not because some principled stance against Musk (although they always mention that first) but how they think they will be perceived driving it around to their family or friend's houses. Tesla's are expensive, and up until now have been bought as a status symbol. If your brother-in-law says "oh, you bought a Tesla??" and wrinkles his nose, that kind of takes away the good of forking out a significant wad of cash for it. And even worse, what if someone stuck one of those stickers to it. You'd be marked out to everyone until you washed it off. That was actually their reasons when they got down to it.

Even my brother, who's looking for a second hand EV car has decided against a Tesla because of the "perception". He knows the money isn't going to Elon Musk, but in his words "he doesn't want to be marked out as a pri*k". So new Tesla buyers are going to find that second hand value is going to drop as well.

It is a pity, because they are lovely looking cars and generally well made.

Nobody should be on Twitter anymore regardless of what you think of Musk, he absolutely ruined the platform after buying it.

Wasnt that his intent?

We might get lower priced Teslas, just looking around Europe we’re one of the most expensive country’s to buy one especially if you take out the grant. Just with Teslas own discounts a new m3 awd is 5k cheaper and m3 performance is 10k cheaper in Italy.

Now the danger is the EU could decide to slap a tariff on Tesla as they’re American owned and wreck their European businesses, I was reading some expert from Germany earlier and he seemed to think Europe has proved we’re willing to not buy Tesla’s.
Musk isn’t exactly one of their fans nor them of he.

How would he really annoy them, deep discounts for us. It’s plausible.