Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

@AndyBoBandy Seperate thread on this here:

@aidanodr

yes, but will no doubt end up relevant here when Trump blames it on his enemies (Ukraine/EU/UK)…

Sounds about right. After the US ceding ground to Russia without any concessions from Russia they now want to see what Ukraine is willing to concede, again without asking for anything off Russia.

US wants to determine in Jeddah whether Ukraine ready to make concessions to Russia - Reuters

Ukraine should argue that they have made concessions to Russia already by not targeting civilians in strikes nor raping, pillaging, kidnapping, conscripting from any Russian territory that they occupied back.

Still can’t believe Trumps plan was to leave Ukraine vulnerable to Russia bombing by switching off the intel.

Basically let Putin kill more innocent people until Ukraine have to cave in.

What a sick twisted mind.

Still there is an important difference between not doing enough for whatever reasons, and pulling the rug out from under Ukraine (for the second time now) + cosying up to the aggressor.

Unless you mean by "we, collective, let it go on", Ukraine should not have been helped militarily by US/Europeans during 2022-2024?

Seems only idea the Trump admin. has to end the war faster, is do its best to make sure Ukraine capitulates by pulling out US support.

They have little leverage to stop Russia/Putin attacking Ukraine, they also have no leverage when it comes to NK, Iranians and the Chinese etc. who might even step up support to Russia now with the signals being sent out that dinner is apparently served. Though I suppose that could suit the Trump admin. purposes too.

Anyway I just hope European countries learn a lesson from these sad events and respond correctly, finally!

More of this please

So very true. The US' name is absolute mud at this point with the way they are stabbing Ukraine in the back and attacking supposed allies with tariffs. There may be a few Republicans pushing back but the majority of that party is all in on stabbing Ukraine in the back and supporting a fascist Russian dictatorship. There are many great people in the US who know what is happening is so very wrong to put it mildly but its also clear that at this point the US can no longer be trusted and relied on. The US under the authoritarian Republicans is a disgrace to what the US used to stand for when it came to democracy and freedoms.

We all knew that was coming!

An excuse now to switch off starlink!

Despicable!

Yeah that ultimate "lever" is/was always there I suppose, but I think just threatening it won't work and it would need to be followed through.

No one has wanted to do that (not previous US admin., or any European countries).

They've always shied off getting more directly involved in the war, or supplying amounts/types of weapons that they believed might damage Russia "too much" (escalation).

Putin seems to have cashed in all his chips in Ukraine (putting aside crazy ideas like use of WMD) so words and bluffs won't cut it to get him to stop.

edit: Of course Trump will be much more comfortable threatening a weak militia the Israelis have been bombing and killing non stop for a year with "hell", vs Russia and Putin - a country and a leader he really seems to be in awe (or fear) of, and has a deep respect and affection for.

Krasnov said Putrid is easier to work with on the BS peace deal then Zelensky - really?

Russia has told Australia there will be "grave consequences" if it puts "boots on the ground" in Ukraine as part of a Western peacekeeping operation proposed by the UK prime minister.

The west let Ukraine down. Simple as. Collective bunch of fannies.