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6N '25 Ireland v France Match Thread: Sat8th Mar 2:15 Farewell & Adieu to you POMs, Murrays & Healys

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,903 ✭✭✭shootermacg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 238 ✭✭thehairygrape


    just want to add my voice to the criticism of the director who kept the camera on the ref when Peter O’Mahoney was being replaced. Absolute disgrace. I rarely shout at the tv, but I did yesterday. The man was a warrior and deserved a lot, lot better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    As explained elsewhere the broadcaster was Six Nations Ltd, not RTE Sport. Also worth noting that it was just really unfortunate timing. Play had stopped and the FPRO had come back with a decision on the Nash Yellow or Red. So the TV director stayed with the Ref who has the decision coming into his comms.

    Arguably, since both coaching boxes have access to the same comms link, they should have held off with the substitution and allowed POM the coverage his legion of fans wanted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,381 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Don't worry about O Mahonys send off. He'll get a proper send off when he plays for Munster where fans at the game actually know who's playing!! He'll be grand lol.

    Jokes aside he got plenty tv coverage during the anthems, and am certain he understands that! Man is full of passion, humour and genuinity. Would die for his country, I guess it goes with being from Cork



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 449 ✭✭For Petes Sake




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,474 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    He’s not though, and that’s why people are so annoyed about it.

    It would be lovely to dismiss this as meeeeeja hype, Leinster bias, the influence of Sexton and whatever else has been thrown out on this board, but people are rattled because they know it’s more than that. That’s why there’s this edge to the discussion.

    Like, that business two weeks ago about the Irish mgmt steering journos away from Crowley and towards Prendergast, that was so quickly and gleefully reposted here. It was absolute and very obvious bollocks but how quickly did people jump on it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,786 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    on paper we are but those rankings are delayed in showing the present day reality of the situation. i

    We were up there with only SA and NZ before whereas now Eng & France have joined our level and there isn’t much between all 5 of those teams with a gap to the remaining sides.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭Piskin


    NZ went a man down in that game. France went a man down yesterday and still scored a try



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 238 ✭✭thehairygrape


    I’m sure POM isn’t bothered, but I’d have liked to have seen the reception as he went off. We all can’t afford/access tickets especially coming up from Cork.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,420 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Do you honestly believe, as an Irish rugby supporter that Sam Prendergast has failed and failed badly playing for the Irish team or are you one of the cohort of posters that @For Petes Sake mentioned that are hell bent on wanting Sam Prendergast to fail and fail badly?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 449 ✭✭For Petes Sake


    Lol. Very odd post.

    I'd explain to you but you're clearly not interested in having any discussion in good faith so you mind yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,903 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    Yes I honestly believe Sam is possibly the worst 10 to have ever played in green. He has nothing, literally nothing to offer. The defence don't even bother defending him, they all push out on the guy who is 100% getting the pass. So we have a ten who can't defend and can't attack. So that's just an easy zero out of ten for me, and I'm probably being kind.

    • 0 for ball carrying
    • 0 for defending
    • 0 for attack
    • I would have given him more for his kicking up to the French game, but I'm afraid his kicking was terrible - so 0 for kicking.

    I don't blame Sam for being promoted beyond his ability, and, I almost feel bad for the kid when he gets dropped for Leinster and Ireland when it doesn't look like a murder in the media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 223 ✭✭CalmaftertheGav


    Not just on paper, in practice. We are still up there, it's only now France have also joined the race.

    I like how you snuck England in there like we wouldn't even notice. They are well behind the top 4 still, so much so that Ireland barely gets any points for beating them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,846 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Must sting that he gets picked ahead of Crowley eh?

    What a ridiculous post



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,903 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    Doesn't hurt me at all. I think it will hurt a lot of careers in the long run though. I'll be honest replacing a very good 10 with an inferior 10 is not the type of rotation this team needs.

    Rotating out some of the older players for younger players would make more sense. To do this you'd expect Andy to increase squad sizes and expose more players to international rugby, but yet again he only made changes when he's had no options.

    Selection should and will be questioned, sticking Osborne out on the wing when they would have known about his lack of pace? Surely Keenan should have been the better option and Osborne would have done a job at FB?

    Sticking in Joe McCarty, who seems to think lock work is optional, when James Ryan is just a much more effective player. Selecting Baird? Like what is Baird? He's not a six and he's not a lock, what is he? One thing he isn't is international quality.

    Changing one of the best attacking teams in the world into whatever this mess is - that's down to Andy.

    Literally sending Frawley to the scrap heap after 20 bad minutes?

    The only question now, is who gets both barrels from Andy after letting him down so badly. Andy takes losing badly, but getting hammered at home, well, that is something else entirely. I would say given the amount of Leinster players on the team, the chances are that it'll be one or more Leinster players.

    I've never seen a team go so bad so fast, it's almost like watching an accident happen.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭thamus doku


    I am not having a go at Pendergast - he is a young buck just starting out in life and I truly wish him well.

    I actually hope he does go on to be a great player. I like to see young people succeed in life.

    the Irish management are 100% to blame for any negativity around Crowley v Pendergast, how Farrell thought it was a good idea to 'involve sexton in the coaching when Farrell was going to go with Pendergast.

    beyond stupid move. sexton has as much business on the coaching ticket as did/does Paul oconnell. real amateur hour stuff.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 9,704 Mod ✭✭✭✭mayordenis


    So, there's a sort of full circle thing happening where we've gone from over-criticism to over-protection of an underperforming 10. Even that's probably unfair, he's not necessarily underperforming, to me it's just too soon.

    Crowley never played himself out of the job, he's between adequate and excellent in all facets of his game, while Prendergast has a few too many clear downsides. It is so easy to just label anyone pointing this out as some sort of hater, but as I see it, we didn't have our best current 15 starting these games, we were mortgaging our chance at 3 in a row and a grand slam on what still amounts to hope that Prendergast will turn into something very special.

    On top of all that, I think the best way to shorten Prendergast's career is to fire him in at the deep end like this, I hope I'm outrageously wrong, but as of now I feel this whole situation has been mismanaged in the extreme.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 388 ✭✭El Vino


    Any ranking that has us higher than 4th is a joke. Until we win a World Cup 1/4 final when every team has had the same build up and preparation time as we routinely get, and also no one is rotating or building squad depth which we really don’t do in November or 6N I refuse to take these rankings seriously.

    Don’t get me wrong 4th would be pretty decent and this team has given me plenty of joy but we are currently regressing at an alarming rate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Given that most of our players play for one club team it’s hardly surprising that we perform well between World Cups.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,474 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    By this logic, Argentina are better than us even though they lost to England in the RWC pools and got beaten by NZ by 38 points in the SF. We beat South Africa and lost by 4 to NZ.

    but because Argentina beat Wales in the QF they must be better than us. Right.

    But we’re between RWCs right now, we tried some things in the last year, some of them worked out, others not so much, some are still a work in progress. Isn’t this what we all want?

    The constant stick Ireland get beaten with is an obsession with winning every 6N game. So we lost one, are people as chill with this as they have been making out? Are they f**k.

    Saturday wasn’t a great day at the office but some of the reactions are completely over the top and a little too gleeful tbh.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,786 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    England have beaten us and France in the last 12 months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,649 ✭✭✭riddles


    Time to consider giving O’Gara a chance and replace this group which I think has run out of ideas.

    Post edited by riddles on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,786 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    It’s an aging group that hit its peak a couple of years ago, that’s been evident for sometime.

    It’s been made worse by gambling on young players not ready and showing sentiment to older players that are clearly past it and should have been gone already.

    The mgt got a few calls wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,903 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    Here's a little template for you to use, you can delete the points you don't want to make, might save time:

    • Andy good!
    • Ireland good!
    • Well the coaching setup seems to think [insert player] is not international standard (see above).
    • All of you are over reacting!
    • Who would you drop?
    • Sam is a young man, still learning, high ceiling, spiral, skip pass.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,213 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    You can be an irish rugby fan, and not be a fan of this version of the team and the coaches selection policies.

    I want Ireland to win, i am seeing an awful lot of damage done to our long term prospects by Farrell stubborn ego driven selection policies. (I firmly believe Easterby is selecting who Farrell tells him to)

    Picking Prendergast has likely cost the IRFU 5 million in prize money, failure to get a TBP against wales and losing so badly to france were both consequences of playing a 10 with so many obvious and glaring weaknesses.

    This muck about Prendergast having a high ceiling is pure copium. He has shown nothing to say he will ever learn to defend, or become an attacking threat at test level, his kicking percentage from the tee is lower than Crowley's was when he was being crucified over it, he loses composure when under pressure and the rest of the team play worse when trying to compensate for his weaknesses.

    He is completely reliant on Lowe having a superhuman ability to break tackles out wide, because he often passes the ball to players who have no space and are just about to be double teamed.

    That he's being allowed to 'Redeem' himself against italy will only paper over the cracks.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,569 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    We're very much in an 'alternative facts' world now when it comes to Sam Prendergast.

    Him winning player of the round a few matches ago really broke some brains around here. Had to acknowledge a reality that he might actually be a good player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,903 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    Yeah, BUT did he deserve it? Here, I'll answer for you, no he did not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 223 ✭✭CalmaftertheGav


    Argentina have beaten SA & NZL in that same time frame, are they part of the conversation also?

    England & Argentina are the best of the rest & have enough about them to upset one of the top 4 on their day but aren't good enough to consistently do it and be part of that top 4.

    I know many like to pretend the rankings dont mean anything but in this case they are a fairly good indicator of where everyone is right now. SA are clearly on top, then you got NZL, IRE, FRA who are as good but aren't as consistent. Then you have a big jump down to England/Argentina.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Do you think he deserves the online bile you post about him? You’re 55 years old and you’re having a pop repeatedly at a 22 year old anonymously online. It’s weird.



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